which lens has the most 3D POP?
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rsrsrs
Registered: May 14, 2008
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Country: Germany

hi
which lens has the most 3D POP?

i guess a Zeiss, but which one?
did anybody compare the 4 zeiss 50ies (2x C/Y, N, ZE)?

Gruss
reinhard



jcolwell
Registered: Feb 10, 2005
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Country: Canada

In my experience, it's the C/Y Carl Zeiss Planar 85/1.4 at f/4 to f/8. The EF 85/1.2L II is probably just as good in this department, but it's a more specialized lens. IMO, 3D pop and separation from the background are two different things.



ryankarr
Registered: Sep 25, 2009
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Country: Canada

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mpmendenhall
Registered: Aug 09, 2008
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Country: United States

Depending on focal length, some of my favorites for "3D-ness" are:

Contax 25/2.8 (perhaps its poorer corner performance at wide apertures gives near-center subjects a little extra pop over the also good 28/2.8)

Contax 35/1.4 (the wide aperture background separation often helps, but the lens also delivers stopped down)

Contax 35-70/3.4 is a good 5th choice for comparing Zeiss' 50mm offerings; it is a bit ahead of the Contax 50mm primes for stopped-down work.

Contax 100/2 is extra good at "pop" at any aperture (I've never tried the Contax 85mm options for comparison, but I like the 100/2 over the rendering of my now-sold EF 85L)

Just so I don't seem completely biased towards Contax, the Oly 90/2 macro is also good (perhaps pulling ahead of the Contax 100/2 at shorter working distances, unsurprising for a macro lens).



Paul Yi
Registered: Dec 10, 2004
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From the ones I've used....

C/Y 100/2.0
Leica Apo R 180/2.8
Canon 200/2.0L IS

These were very very very good.....



rdst
Registered: Jun 04, 2008
Total Posts: 455
Country: Germany

A cheaper one Leica-R Vario-Elmar 3.5/35-70mm



Jim Schemel
Registered: Oct 18, 2006
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Country: United States

Samples on a question like this area always fun to look at.

I had a Carl Zeiss Jena(purchased from Paul) that had some surprising 3D to it when you nailed the focus.The shot below is @f2.8 on my 5D.I really liked the lens but my left elbow has never been the same after carrying it around NYC for several days(the lens is very heavy)
-Jim







mMontag
Registered: Dec 15, 2008
Total Posts: 2078
Country: United States

I'm reading the original post as needing information comparing the 50mm C/Y, "N", and Z**

If so -
reinhard, in the beginning pages of the "Contax N Image Thread" there was a lengthy discussion and images reviewing the 50's - starting about middle of page two and going on....for a while. Hope that helps.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/850075/1



RustyBug
Registered: Feb 02, 2009
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38 pages of 3D discussion from Jan 2009 - Oct 2010 (almost 2 years). One of the most prolific threads on the subject in recent past. Has some missing pics along the way by now, but there's still plenty of examples to see.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/829238/0?keyword=3d#7701654

I carry the C/Y 50/1.7 as my chosen "3D" 50, but typically grab my 35-70/3.4 when I'm looking to make some "3D-ishness" in that appx. FL. I also have a C/Y 50/1.4, but haven't done much with it ... likely to sell. The 50/2 Macro holds its own pretty well, but you're starting to split hairs between the 1.7 vs. the 2.0 Macro on the 3D-O-Meter.



Ataboy
Registered: Sep 17, 2004
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Country: United States

Contax or Rollei Zeiss, especially 35/1.4. But many others are not too far behind.

28-85:






JohnJ
Registered: Jul 09, 2005
Total Posts: 2000
Country: Australia

KIRON 28/2 at F2

It has such poor edge resolution wide open that a subject in the central area, which is quite sharp, stands out like dogs balls!

JJ



Ulff
Registered: Jun 13, 2003
Total Posts: 904
Country: Germany

So far for me the Zeiss 35 2.0 ZE (beginning wide open), C/Y 35-70 3.4 (at f5.6) and the Zeiss C/Y 85 1.4 (stopped down) delivered the most 3D-impression (in this order). The Zeiss 21 2.8 and 28 2.8 (in the center) are also very good. The aforementioned Contax 100 2.0 did not impress me that much in this regard.



Makten
Registered: Jul 14, 2008
Total Posts: 4044
Country: Sweden

For the sort of 3D that does not involve short DOF, the Z* 35/2 is the one...








But of course it pops even better with semi-short DOF...













U.C.
Registered: May 25, 2008
Total Posts: 632
Country: Netherlands

Not the first lens that comes to mind, but the Sigma 50/1.4 has some 3D-talent. Not as much as some Zeiss lenses, but it can show some pop.





Jim Schemel
Registered: Oct 18, 2006
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Country: United States

Makten,
those are very nice samples
-Jim



pmcmanis
Registered: Jul 25, 2010
Total Posts: 134
Country: United States

I have seen 2 lenses which I think for sure do it:

the zeiss 100mm f2 makro-plannar

(here is the best example, it's not my photo so Ill leave it in link form: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nivandri/4885653416)

and the zeiss 80mm f2.8 T* planar.

I went to a little exhibition of Michal Chelbin's work and was really blown away by it. Im not sure if it was the lens, or the printing. Im not very experienced with looking at pro prints, but some of her work just had that look.

to me what I think matters most is whatever it is that people call "microcontrast", which is something I am not well read on. Ive been blown away by pictures made with the 65mm mamiya for the 7, but it doesnt have that same sort of look. the same is true of the 58mm f1.2 rokkor, 90/2 zuiko, 90 cron, 50 cron, 50mm f1.4 SMC, etc. they all draw in a way that's out of this world but every one to me is different then what I see from the zeiss lenses.



Bifurcator
Registered: Oct 22, 2008
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Country: Japan

The FD 24/2.0 has nice pop. So does the Yashica ML 24/2.8

Many say that the Yashica is better than than the Zeiss is pop and sharpness but I don't have the Zeiss so I dunno for sure.



h00ligan
Registered: Jan 03, 2010
Total Posts: 2157
Country: United States

@U.C.

Sigma seems to be moving up in regards to separation, or even pop. Even the inexpensive 30/1.4 has a fair amount when shot wide open.. not in the class of some of the images posted here, but just saying.. for the money...

@Jim

Wow.



mshi
Registered: Dec 13, 2010
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Are 3D cameras/lenses supposed to give us more 3D pop?



cavewalker
Registered: Dec 27, 2008
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Country: Germany

3D means good (micro)contrast sharp and a gaussian blur background.
You can get that all from Distagon 1.4/35 Rokkor 2.8/24 Rokkor 2/28 2,8/200 Zuiko Auto Macro 2/50 and of course the famous 2/90



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