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georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
Total Posts: 4045
Country: Germany

Ronny, excellent flower-shot with the 135/2 and tube!

Kevin, the "Daddy long legs"-shot is impressive, to say the least. Wow!
And I really like the "Pretty Weed" - the light works great here and the picture looks almost 3D-esque ;-)

John, I like the low-tide-shot a lot. Love your point of view on the mystery cable anchor.

Rafael, great set from the car- and bike-show! The first shot is my personal favorite - and the "soft glowing" rendering of the 55/1.2 on the very last image reminds me a bit of my old Leica Summarit-M 50/1.5.

Ray, great job on the mansion (or is it called a "crib" today?)!

Mark, I'm sure the "Meise" will see some fresh green very soon. The last snow-leftovers are finally gone over here.

Samy, nice comparison between 20/3.5 UD and the 24/2.8! My own 20/3.5UD has a kinda "milky" spot on the front-lens, maybe I'll try a local repairman to clean it. What I really like on the 24/2.8 is the very even, soft vignetting at the wider apertures.



kwoodard
Registered: Aug 04, 2012
Total Posts: 4682
Country: United States

asiostygius wrote:
MDoc9523 wrote:
CGrindahl wrote:
asiostygius wrote:
CGrindahl wrote:
asiostygius wrote:
...Curtis, beautiful scalloped collection, but I think you need this beauty to have a more complete collection :

http://pindelski.org/Photography/2012/03/10/nikkor-q-200mm-f4-lens/
http://www.destoutz.ch/lens_200mm_f4_598528.html


It is definitely a gorgeous lens but the 4 elements in 4 groups does not stir Bjorn's juices. While the later versions from K through AI-s are given very high marks 4.5 to 5, the earlier lens is given a 2.5. I'm not certain it is a very sensible investment. I love the old lenses, but function matters to me more than form. The pre-AI lenses now in my kit all perform exceptionally well, the best of form and function. That is why my buying days might be over...


Curtis, though Bjorn is generally spot on about lens evaluations, in this particular case I have to disagree (perhaps I was lucky with a good copy, or it would be the multicoating of the QC?):
Even though I have the 200/4 Q.C for a short time, shooting side by side with the 200/4 ais revealed to me virtually no difference. I made no formal test (perhaps I will perform one this weekend ), but apparently sharpness is equal and the only slight, really slight difference could be that wide open the QC has a little bit more CA in harsh light conditions - easily fixed in PP though. At smaller apertures simply there is no difference at 100% pixel peeping.
The other difference is that the older lens is IMHO better constructed (including the built in hood - firm and not loose) and feels better in my hands than the ais version.


You're NOT HELPING Jose... The 200 like the 20 is not a focal length I turn to. On the wide end I'm so mesmerized by the 24 f/2.8 N.C. AI'd that I probably won't use the 20 f/2.8 AI-s until/unless I take a trip to an urban environment where I really need to get wide. At the longer end, the 180 f/2.8 AI-s in in a league of its own. Yes, it is bigger and heavier but it is faster and bitingly sharp wide open. I'd likely go to that lens and if I wanted longer it would most often be the 300 f/4.5 AI-s ED-IF.

I'll never say never when it comes to these lenses, but...

This morning I did a bit of shooting with my recently acquired and converted 105 f/2.5 P AI'd. I've no idea what motivated Nikon to switch from the Sonnar design and move to Gauss. This old lens is rather thrilling to use. Here is a shot of a flower without an extension tube shot hand held at f/2.5 followed by a close shot of the same flower taken with the PK-13 attached. These were shot at a local nursery, which on Fridays takes a huge delivery of flowers for sale over the weekend. It is a great time to stop by and take a few photos.


Did I miss the news on how this lens got AI'D? Last I heard you were going to swap the aperture ring from your previous version. Did you end up doing this yourself? inquiring minds want to know.


Ray, speaking of DIY, lately I am preferring to maintain the original aperture ring on the older lenses, so I did a DIY job with the 200 QC. In the last 2 images you can see the result, not a pro job, but easy enough to be done by anyone (including me!).
This site has excellent instructions about the conversion:
http://pindelski.org/Photography/2013/02/06/nikkor-ai-conversions-diy/

These are some side by side images of the QC ai'd (left) and the AI-S versions of the 200mm f/4.


Nikkors 200mm f/4, AI-S & non-AI Q.C versions by labecoaves, on Flickr


Nikkor 200mm f/4 AI-S & non-ai Q.C versions (blades) by labecoaves, on Flickr


Nikkor 200mm f/4 AI-S & non-ai Q.C versions (back) by labecoaves, on Flickr


Nikkor 200mm f/4 ais and non-ai Q.C versions (aperture & focusing rings detail) by labecoaves, on Flickr

All images taken with the D600 + Micro-Nikkor 55/2.8 ais.


Was it hard to do? I have two lenses that I want to do this on. One should be easy as I have multiple lenses with the same max aperture. The other one is a f/1.4 so I would be guessing a bit. Help!!!



georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
Total Posts: 4045
Country: Germany

CGrindahl wrote:
Thanks Georg. Always a delight to ramble through a nursery filled with flowers.

Love your photo with the underlying story of an arts organization "under the gun..." to use one phrase for describing their situation. I've no idea what it is like to be a photographer given assignments and then needing to consider how best to tell a story through images. Obviously, you're very skilled at producing well crafted images, but you also have a knack for finding a captivating point of view. You say you may at times try to hard to be creative, but that is much better than getting lazy about such things. I'm not certain what I'd be shooting if I expected of myself that I would always be looking for something fresh to shoot. Often, what could become boring is refreshed by a new lens with which to play. That was surely what the arrival of Nikki meant. The same happens with each lens added to my kit. It also helps to visit new environs since as wonderful as home is, finding a fresh perspective is always a challenge. Sunday I'll join a friend at a baseball game her nine year old son will be playing in. I'll try my hand and a bit of sports photography... something you know a bit about as well. I'll resist the temptation to bring an AF lens to see how well I can handle zone focusing... I learn by doing.


Curtis, thanks! Yes, "playing" with new gear (lenses, but also other tools like the Nikon V1 or flash-stuff) is one receipt to re-invent or re-think given subjects. I've gone through several phases - the "strobist"-phase, the super-wide-phase, the shallow-DoF-phase and lately I just try to mix it all ;-)
The tilt-shift-lenses are amazing in their capabilities and the PC 85/2.8D is one of my favorite lenses right now.
I hope you'll find a good place to capture the baseball-game.



georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
Total Posts: 4045
Country: Germany

MDoc9523 wrote:
Georg what an interesting shot. The tilt shift lenses are amazing and you have given us an example of how good this lens can be - well done!


Thank you, Ray (and Jeff too)! The people at the paper liked my crazy idea and the resulting "shot" too and it was printed in a good size.



mp356
Registered: May 31, 2009
Total Posts: 5639
Country: United States

MarkdV wrote:
One from this morning, 180mm+TC201 just under 10 meters and about 50% crop of the image. Yes, late April and yet more snow. Helps with the birds though since they come where the food is.



Nice image Mark. We had snow flurries here today too. Not as much as you though.



mp356
Registered: May 31, 2009
Total Posts: 5639
Country: United States

kwoodard wrote:
So following Curtis' urging, I took the 80-200/4.5 out with the PK13. Very fun combo, brings the lens more into what I would use it for! Not selling it now...



Nice series Kevin.



mp356
Registered: May 31, 2009
Total Posts: 5639
Country: United States

Ronny _Olsson wrote:
Great shot everyone!!


Nikkor 135mm f/2 Ai-s Vivitar Nikon AT-3/AI Extension Tube 36mm by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr



Beautiful Ronny! Great background.



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
Total Posts: 16784
Country: United States

georgms wrote:
CGrindahl wrote:
Thanks Georg. Always a delight to ramble through a nursery filled with flowers.

Love your photo with the underlying story of an arts organization "under the gun..." to use one phrase for describing their situation. I've no idea what it is like to be a photographer given assignments and then needing to consider how best to tell a story through images. Obviously, you're very skilled at producing well crafted images, but you also have a knack for finding a captivating point of view. You say you may at times try to hard to be creative, but that is much better than getting lazy about such things. I'm not certain what I'd be shooting if I expected of myself that I would always be looking for something fresh to shoot. Often, what could become boring is refreshed by a new lens with which to play. That was surely what the arrival of Nikki meant. The same happens with each lens added to my kit. It also helps to visit new environs since as wonderful as home is, finding a fresh perspective is always a challenge. Sunday I'll join a friend at a baseball game her nine year old son will be playing in. I'll try my hand and a bit of sports photography... something you know a bit about as well. I'll resist the temptation to bring an AF lens to see how well I can handle zone focusing... I learn by doing.


Curtis, thanks! Yes, "playing" with new gear (lenses, but also other tools like the Nikon V1 or flash-stuff) is one receipt to re-invent or re-think given subjects. I've gone through several phases - the "strobist"-phase, the super-wide-phase, the shallow-DoF-phase and lately I just try to mix it all ;-)
The tilt-shift-lenses are amazing in their capabilities and the PC 85/2.8D is one of my favorite lenses right now.
I hope you'll find a good place to capture the baseball-game.


It turned out I won't be able to go to the game tomorrow but I did stop today for what was scheduled as a team photo shoot and was able to grab a few photos of the young man whose mother is becoming a friend. These were shot with the 105 f/2.5 P AI'd. A game will have to wait for a bit.



Processed with SEP.

A crew of hard working young men were herding young baseball players, taking orders from parents of photos, buttons and cards; group shots, individual shots, buddy shots. I've little doubt these guys made a great deal of money today, churning out photos.



saph
Registered: Jun 10, 2012
Total Posts: 3699
Country: United States

Interesting observation about the 24 2.8, George. I just haven't used it in months, may need to check it out more. I went back and looked at larger size photos of the tree with the two lenses. The corners/edges are just smears in the 20UD image (and that's after a bit of cropping at the edges). The 24 2.8 AIS image is sharp all the way across the frame (no cropping). Maybe a slight falloff at the very far edge of the image, but not much, still can make out distinct grass blades at the edges of the bottom corners.

Not sure if that's just my copy of the 20 3.5 UD.



pbraymond
Registered: Oct 23, 2009
Total Posts: 1943
Country: United States

Got out this evening - brr, windchill right at freezing.

Been reading really fast when I get breaks, nice work everyone. Maybe I'll return tomorrow and add some well deserved comments on some great images.



asiostygius
Registered: Nov 29, 2011
Total Posts: 3289
Country: Brazil

No Curtis, sometimes I am just a simple disciple of you, the main devilŽs adjutant

Anyway, some samples with the old 200 Q.C + 3T (1.5 diopters) close up lens:


single shot at f/11:


Single shot test with Nikkor-Q.C 200mm f/4 F aiŽd + 3T close up lens by labecoaves, on Flickr
Single shot test with Nikkor-Q.C 200mm f/4 F aiŽd + 3T close up lens

This is some of the first test shots with the 1.5 diopters 3T close up lens.
D6000 + Nikkor-Q.C 200mm f/4 F aiŽd hand held, ISO 1250, f/11 at 1/200s. ~10% cropped.



2 shots focus stacking at f/8:


Focus stacking test with Nikkor-Q.C 200mm f/4 F aiŽd + 3T close up lens by labecoaves, on Flickr

Focus stacking test with Nikkor-Q.C 200mm f/4 F aiŽd + 3T close up lens
D6000 + Nikkor-Q.C 200mm f/4 F aiŽd hand held, ISO 1250, f/8 at 1/500s.
This is a composite of 2 images focus stacked. Ideally tripod must be used, but the "burst mode" of camera allowed 2 images in quick sequence - virtually in the same place.

This old lens delivers rich colours.

I made a test with 200QC vs. 200 ais today, at close up and infinity distances, hopefully tomorrow I will post here some samples.



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
Total Posts: 16784
Country: United States

Although the 24 f/2.8 in its various iterations is well reviewed, my affection for the 28mm focal range meant that the 24 f/2.8 AI-s I bought some time ago got very little use. It wasn't until I picked up the 24 f/2.8 N.C. AI'd that I really put it through its paces and I am very impressed. I have this photo on my 27" desktop and as a friend says, there are no flies on that photo...


I imagine I'll rely on the 24 for wide shooting from now one, except, of course, in those instances where I really need the 20. But as I've said, I don't think the UD will make it to my kit. The AI-s has not let me down.



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
Total Posts: 16784
Country: United States

And since Jose is dropping flower photos on the thread, I'll do the same. This was shot a bit differently from how I typically approach this kind of shooting. No tubes, no telephoto lens... this is with the 24 f/2.8 N.C. AI'd shot at Minimum Focusing Distance. Slightly cropped, shot at f/11.



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
Total Posts: 16784
Country: United States

I really mounted the 24 f/2.8 N.C. AI'd this morning because as I sat on a bench and looked up I saw this view and wanted to take a photo. I noted these lovely leaves last week but this week I brought my camera. Shot at f/11. It was after taking this shot that I notice the rhododendrons across the courtyard that you see above.


No cropping or sharpening, simply re-sized.



asiostygius
Registered: Nov 29, 2011
Total Posts: 3289
Country: Brazil

kwoodard wrote:
asiostygius wrote:
MDoc9523 wrote:
CGrindahl wrote:
asiostygius wrote:
CGrindahl wrote:
asiostygius wrote:





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Was it hard to do? I have two lenses that I want to do this on. One should be easy as I have multiple lenses with the same max aperture. The other one is a f/1.4 so I would be guessing a bit. Help!!!



Kevin, I am not good with handwork, far from that, but after reading the instructions here:
http://pindelski.org/Photography/2013/02/06/nikkor-ai-conversions-diy/

I was more than capable of doing the job easily.
Do not be in a hurry and use a small and not blunt from use flat file. All you need is around 4-5cm (~ <=2 inches) of filed aluminum. I noted that the claw does not need to be filled, since the camera tab is always below and never touch the claw which I put back in its place.
A final touch is the application of a black matte ink for metal which gives a final good "cosmetic" look to the lens.
I was lucky to have a non-ai 400/5.6 K ring to try before. It was so easy and the result good enough that I even replaced the original in the 400/5.6 K ( it has an advantage - easier grip of the aperture ring with its 4 rows of diamond shaped ridges vs. just 3 of the ai factory) - Now I have a "surplus" 400/5.6 ai factory ring!

I have made this job in the 16/3.5, 200/4 Q.C, 35/2OC, 400/5.6K and 24/2.8NC with great success and saved some USD 170-200.00 to buy another lens

I recommend a reading of Thomas Pindelsk link above.
Hope this is useful to you.



asiostygius
Registered: Nov 29, 2011
Total Posts: 3289
Country: Brazil

Resuming the Trajan's Column series, this is a slightly view from 30m West - Southwest.
The original was 14000 pixels, this is "only" 6000:


_D7K_20130220_1100-pano-5-shots-wen-WSw-30m by labecoaves, on Flickr

West- South-west view at ~30m of distance from Trajan's Column, Rome. 5 vertical shots stitched.
D7000 + Nikkor 85mm f/1.8K ai'd & CPU'd hand held, ISO 100, f/4 at 1/1250s.

I think "Nikki's daughter" is incridibly sharp at f/4 to f/8.

According to Lino Rossi's book, at the base the "personified Danube" rises up to watch the Roman troops crossing the river .



kwoodard
Registered: Aug 04, 2012
Total Posts: 4682
Country: United States

pbraymond wrote:
Got out this evening - brr, windchill right at freezing.

Been reading really fast when I get breaks, nice work everyone. Maybe I'll return tomorrow and add some well deserved comments on some great images.

Love the first image a lot...!



rafaelcasd
Registered: Jan 07, 2011
Total Posts: 2486
Country: United States

asiostygius wrote:
Resuming the Trajan's Column series, this is a slightly view from 30m West - Southwest.
The original was 14000 pixels, this is "only" 6000:


West- South-west view at ~30m of distance from Trajan's Column, Rome. 5 vertical shots stitched.
D7000 + Nikkor 85mm f/1.8K ai'd & CPU'd hand held, ISO 100, f/4 at 1/1250s.

I think "Nikki's daughter" is incridibly sharp at f/4 to f/8.

According to Lino Rossi's book, at the base the "personified Danube" rises up to watch the Roman troops crossing the river .


Jose, you are incredibly focused, and so is the column. Beautiful, they should move it indoors.

Of my lens samples the 85mm 1.8 H is a little shaper than the K.



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
Total Posts: 16784
Country: United States

Spectacular shot Jose. I'm amazed there isn't greater distortion. Very well done!

Here is a humble effort from this evening with the recently AI'd 50 f/1.4 S.C. shot wide open. It is definitely soft wide open. The image may not look it, but if so that is because of Smart Sharpen...


Shot in Manual mode, at f/1.4, 1/60th of a second and Auto ISO at 2200, converted in Silver Efex Pro 2. This place opened a few months ago and has become the first "night spot" I've known in downtown San Anselmo. We tend to roll up the sidewalks at 10 p.m. but this place is open until midnight on Friday and Saturday nights. I'm very happy that it is doing well.



MDoc9523
Registered: Aug 13, 2006
Total Posts: 5115
Country: United States

The inside of the mansion was simply amazing, especially the ceilings. I had to lay down on the floor to get some of these shots with the 16mm 3.5
Jose the alley shot was de-fished but the following shots were not.









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