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CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
Total Posts: 16784
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You forget Peter, the other downside of the 70-300 VR is you can't share the images on this thread...

Of course there are plenty of threads on FM where photos can be shared, though they tend to last a few days rather than a few years...



MDoc9523
Registered: Aug 13, 2006
Total Posts: 5115
Country: United States

pburke wrote:
Ronny _Olsson wrote:

The one I have looked at is an Ai ED and believe it is without Internal Focusing ? but I'm not sure. when looking at Serial I think it is with IF... if not ..Is what a disadvantage ?


if it is one of the non-IF you found the one version that is most desirable. The IF lens will stay the same length when changing focus, the older one won't

Bjørn Rørslett writes on his site:

This lens, one of the first to carry "ED" designation, was only available for a short time in the mid 70's before being replaced with the internal focusing (IF) model. A pity, because the non-IF lens is, or rather was, a truly remarkable performer even by today's standards. It excels even near wide open and the impressive quality holds up well down to f/16

This lens was so well colour-corrected that it lacked the traditional "red dot" for IR photography, because visual and IR focus coincide. However, this by itself doesn't guarantee IR quality (see below)

Focusing isn't as smooth as the IF successor, but entirely doable if you aren't in a hurry.

If you lust for this elusive lens, being in a hurry won't help you much anyway, because it is remarkably difficult to locate today on the second-hand market.




he rates the non-IF version a 5, while the IF gets a 4, mostly for CA

I have the IF ED version and honestly, I don't think it's that great of a lens. It handles well and is compact, but it has pretty strong CA. I rarely shoot it wide open. Stopped down it works alright, but my 70-300mm VR consumer zoom kills it in IQ. Obviously, shooting the MF lens is a lot more fun. The colors and contrast on the old lens are more pleasant, too.

Peter

Thats so funny Peter because I also had the 70-300VR and sold it because I could not get a sharp photo at 300mm wide open. I shoot my EDIF wide open most of the time and it is sharp with little to no CA.



jhinkey
Registered: Jan 08, 2010
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pburke wrote:
Ronny _Olsson wrote:

The one I have looked at is an Ai ED and believe it is without Internal Focusing ? but I'm not sure. when looking at Serial I think it is with IF... if not ..Is what a disadvantage ?


if it is one of the non-IF you found the one version that is most desirable. The IF lens will stay the same length when changing focus, the older one won't

Bjørn Rørslett writes on his site:

This lens, one of the first to carry "ED" designation, was only available for a short time in the mid 70's before being replaced with the internal focusing (IF) model. A pity, because the non-IF lens is, or rather was, a truly remarkable performer even by today's standards. It excels even near wide open and the impressive quality holds up well down to f/16

This lens was so well colour-corrected that it lacked the traditional "red dot" for IR photography, because visual and IR focus coincide. However, this by itself doesn't guarantee IR quality (see below)

Focusing isn't as smooth as the IF successor, but entirely doable if you aren't in a hurry.

If you lust for this elusive lens, being in a hurry won't help you much anyway, because it is remarkably difficult to locate today on the second-hand market.




he rates the non-IF version a 5, while the IF gets a 4, mostly for CA

I have the IF ED version and honestly, I don't think it's that great of a lens. It handles well and is compact, but it has pretty strong CA. I rarely shoot it wide open. Stopped down it works alright, but my 70-300mm VR consumer zoom kills it in IQ. Obviously, shooting the MF lens is a lot more fun. The colors and contrast on the old lens are more pleasant, too.

Peter


+1
My copy of the 300/4.5 ED-IF was just a tad better than my 70-300VR - both of which were just OK on my D700. Both have been sold.

Like the 400/5.6, the plain ED versions of the 300/4.5 are the best because they don't have the optical compromise that comes with an IF design - i.e., the whole lens set moves as one, thus maintaining their optimal position with one another. However you have to move the whole lens set to focus which then makes it grow as the distance to subject decreases. The plain ED versions of the 400/5.6 and 300/4.5 are not very common - I have the 400/5.6 ED AI and it's a somewhat better lens than the 400/5.6 ED-IF - especially in the corners, though it does have some CA still. I've always been on the lookout for the 300/4.5 ED, but have never come across one.

John




deang001
Registered: Apr 23, 2011
Total Posts: 1793
Country: China

CGrindahl wrote:
Thanks folks for the comments. Nikki's presence has definitely pushed photography to the top of my agenda for the last week. I've taken close to a thousand photos, over ninety percent with Nikki.

Looking at the weather forecast it appears Tuesday of next week promises sunny skies, so that will likely be one of my days in San Francisco. One day I'll drive in so I can wander about a bit. The second day I'll take a ferry in, then use local transportation to ramble through the city and focus on street photography. The ferry drops me off at the Ferry Terminal at the foot of Market and California Streets and not far from the Oakland-Bay bridge. I can grab a cable car on California and head into downtown. Should be fun...

In the meantime, here are some random shots taken last week that didn't make it to this thread until now...


This is Bolinas Bay adjacent to Highway 1 that feeds into the Pacific Ocean. Audobon Canyon Ranch is about fifty yards down the road from where I took this shot.


This is Sir Francis Drake Boulevard. I live a long block from this road that begins at the edge of San Francisco Bay and meanders through Marin County all the way to the Pacific Ocean. This is about ten miles from where I live in Samuel P. Taylor State Park. I drive this road whenever heading to Point Reyes or the Vedanta Retreat Center.


Small redwood trees next to the road. Of course, the place to visit to see the big trees, that is if you're not prepared to head north on Highway 101 to the Land of the Giants, is Muir Woods. I may still get there but it will definitely be the middle of week.


Very nice, Curtis ... you are putting in a huge effort with Nikki. Lovely to see Sue again as well.

Really looking forward to the San Francisco visits.

It's a bit sad that it's all ending after almost a year. Been a great adventure.



jhinkey
Registered: Jan 08, 2010
Total Posts: 8411
Country: United States

MDoc9523 wrote:
pburke wrote:
Ronny _Olsson wrote:

The one I have looked at is an Ai ED and believe it is without Internal Focusing ? but I'm not sure. when looking at Serial I think it is with IF... if not ..Is what a disadvantage ?


if it is one of the non-IF you found the one version that is most desirable. The IF lens will stay the same length when changing focus, the older one won't

Bjørn Rørslett writes on his site:

This lens, one of the first to carry "ED" designation, was only available for a short time in the mid 70's before being replaced with the internal focusing (IF) model. A pity, because the non-IF lens is, or rather was, a truly remarkable performer even by today's standards. It excels even near wide open and the impressive quality holds up well down to f/16

This lens was so well colour-corrected that it lacked the traditional "red dot" for IR photography, because visual and IR focus coincide. However, this by itself doesn't guarantee IR quality (see below)

Focusing isn't as smooth as the IF successor, but entirely doable if you aren't in a hurry.

If you lust for this elusive lens, being in a hurry won't help you much anyway, because it is remarkably difficult to locate today on the second-hand market.




he rates the non-IF version a 5, while the IF gets a 4, mostly for CA

I have the IF ED version and honestly, I don't think it's that great of a lens. It handles well and is compact, but it has pretty strong CA. I rarely shoot it wide open. Stopped down it works alright, but my 70-300mm VR consumer zoom kills it in IQ. Obviously, shooting the MF lens is a lot more fun. The colors and contrast on the old lens are more pleasant, too.

Peter

Thats so funny Peter because I also had the 70-300VR and sold it because I could not get a sharp photo at 300mm wide open. I shoot my EDIF wide open most of the time and it is sharp with little to no CA.


My experience with the 70-300VR is that there is a lot of sample variation from one copy to the next. I had to go through 3 copies to find one that was good enough - one was decentered, another just plain not sharp, and another the VR was poor. My final copy was only slightly decentered, 300mm was just OK, and the VR was usable. Very very sharp lens at the wide end though!



deang001
Registered: Apr 23, 2011
Total Posts: 1793
Country: China

asiostygius wrote:
Thank you Ronny!

Just starting the Herculaneum sets, far less photos because it was just one half day visit and I used a lot my 24-120/4 VR ( ). This town is much smaller than Pompeii.

Not the best pano and light conditions were not ideal, but anyway a general view of the escavated portion of the town (many parts are still below the modern day Ercolano city !!!).

General view of Herculaneum from south-west border. At 79AD the beach was just at where I stood to do this photography, but today it is some 300-400m away behind.
D7000 + Nikkor 16mm f/3.5 F ai'd hand held, ISO 320, f/8 at 1/250s.
5 vertical shots pano.
Note the town is ~20m below today's ground level. Modern day Ercolano city and Vesuvius are in the background.

Lower floor of the House of Aristides
Extreme north-west border of escavations, the House of Aristides lower floor, facing the beach at ancient times. The photo was taken just before a bridge access to the ancient ruins.

D7000 + Nikkor 20mm f/2.8 ais CPU'd hand held, ISO 100, f/8 at 1/60s.

More details in this excellent source:
https://sites.google.com/site/ad79eruption/herculaneum-1/map-of-herculaneum


Jose, that first shot is really good. I have never seen a view of Herculaneum like that which put's it's size into perspective. I knew it was small but didn't realise just how small. Looks amazingly well preserved. Looking forward to seeing more of the detail.



pburke
Registered: Oct 08, 2010
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300mm f4.5 EDIF on D7000 last summer - miss that 450mm effective range on my D600







I'm watching a 600mm f4 on ebay right now. I'm sure I'll get outbid, but maybe not...



MDoc9523
Registered: Aug 13, 2006
Total Posts: 5115
Country: United States

Reagan wrote:
Been on Vacation with the wife to South Carolina last week
Low was 27 and the high about 48. dead of winter to us
But we went hiking anyway and had snow flurries all day. The other side of the mountain had 13 inches
Warmed up once we started and with the sun out it was very pleasant

2 with the 25-50 F4
First one is "Banal " I guess that is the word of the week
Second a wedding had just finished in a mountain chapel
Amateur photo guy taking the pics

Reagan


Excellent work Reagan, I love this shot!!!







deang001
Registered: Apr 23, 2011
Total Posts: 1793
Country: China

Zichar wrote:
Okay, reproducing this with a bit of background info...

From left...
The funny looking ship on three pillars is the Marina Bay Sands casino + hotels + restaurants + shopping and just about everything there is to be done, right at the base
Up top on the blimp is a sky garden and an infinity pool
Urban legend has it that the unique shape and architecture ensures the house always win; feng shui or which ever form of superstition/devilry you might attribute to
The lotus-like half-dome structure is the arts science museum

Moving right, the bunch of towers are the Marina Financial Centre, a mix of financial institutions and swanky high-end residential suites. But of course, where else would you expect private bankers to stay?

The central business district is on the right; the brightly-lit long and squat building in front is a hotel built in the colonial times as the general post office cum office building. One can take rides in small tugboats cruising the river from the pontoon in the foreground.


Nice explanation, Chin. It really is a lovely looking place and very different to HK, which just seems chaotic in comparison. Sing looks well thought out. I can't recall, but have you ever done a set on Raffles? I love that place



pburke
Registered: Oct 08, 2010
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jhinkey wrote:
My copy of the 300/4.5 ED-IF was just a tad better than my 70-300VR - both of which were just OK on my D700. Both have been sold.



I have the 70-300VR mostly for backcountry trips, when a cheaply made modern plastic lens that covers a good range is more likely to be in my pack than a lens built to last a century. Weight is a big issue. I'm heading out for some backcountry ski touring next month and there's just no way I'd bring a bag full of heavy AIS lenses along. In fact, taking a D600 and a few zooms and maybe the 20mm is already pushing it.

I may sell my 300mm f4.5 should I actually buy a big lens just to reduce the sticker shock.

Peter




deang001
Registered: Apr 23, 2011
Total Posts: 1793
Country: China

leighton w wrote:
bruni wrote:

I'm glad Phillippe's not around. He used to call these kinds of shots "banal" - he's right of course, but all this nikki stuff makes me feel I should post something - so don't flame me - I'm just keeping my hand in.

ben



"Banal" or not, I love these. I especially like the first one because the moon is perfectly exposed and and so is the building. Very well done.


I'm with Leighton, Ben. These are excellent. I think Mr. Z is stirring you up



deang001
Registered: Apr 23, 2011
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Country: China

Ronny _Olsson wrote:
Some animal pictures
The cat was pretty pissed that nitro chased him up the tree ;-)

Nikkor 135mm f/2 Ai-s by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr



That's the shot !! What a beauty, Ronny. Not sure if I would like old Nitro launching himself at me like that

Well done.



deang001
Registered: Apr 23, 2011
Total Posts: 1793
Country: China

Reagan wrote:
Been on Vacation with the wife to South Carolina last week
Low was 27 and the high about 48. dead of winter to us
But we went hiking anyway and had snow flurries all day. The other side of the mountain had 13 inches
Warmed up once we started and with the sun out it was very pleasant

2 with the 25-50 F4
First one is "Banal " I guess that is the word of the week
Second a wedding had just finished in a mountain chapel
Amateur photo guy taking the pics

Reagan



Nice shots, Reagan. You would think people from South Carolina would probably visit Florida at this time of year ... not the other way around



bruni
Registered: Feb 15, 2012
Total Posts: 1650
Country: Australia

asiostygius wrote:
bruni wrote:
asiostygius wrote:
This is for Curtis, bokeh playing shots from last year, when I still had the 50/2 ai:


However, Curtis has woke up inside me the "scalloped NMFAS mutant virus", so I have bough the 50/2 HC Hopefully it will arrive within next 10 days.



congrats. I've got one too. Haven't seen much difference with the 50/2 - but the scalloped focus ring isnice.
ben



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
Total Posts: 16784
Country: United States

bruni wrote:
asiostygius wrote:

asiostygius wrote:
This is for Curtis, bokeh playing shots from last year, when I still had the 50/2 ai:


However, Curtis has woke up inside me the "scalloped NMFAS mutant virus", so I have bough the 50/2 HC Hopefully it will arrive within next 10 days.



congrats. I've got one too. Haven't seen much difference with the 50/2 - but the scalloped focus ring isnice.
ben


Let's get the order of things straight here fellows... It was Ben who started all the fuss about pre-AI lenses. I was a willing follower and now it appears Jose is joining the club. Today I shot with Nikki, the 24 f/2.8 N.C. AI'd and the 35 f/2 O AI'd. Honestly, I could probably get by with only pre-AI converted lenses most of the time, though I'd never do without the 180 and 300. Fortunately, I don't have to choose...

But its all YOUR fault Ben...



saph
Registered: Jun 10, 2012
Total Posts: 3699
Country: United States

Still waiting for a clear night to try the moon with the 1600mm contraption, but in the meanwhile here's a few at the Washington zoo earlier today. The winter finally seems to be on the way out, clouds and wind stayed away all day.

The 400 5.6 AIS got the most work at the zoon, with the 135 f2 coming in handy for indoors animals.

Samy

Lions at the zoo (400 AIS at f11)






Chinese alligator (135 f2 at f/4)






Turtle (400 AIS at f/5.6)






Orangutan (400 AIS at f/5.6)







CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
Total Posts: 16784
Country: United States

Wonderful photos Samy. It sure is nice to have the tools to get the job done and to do it so well. Fine work. Hope Spring takes hold real soon for all of you suffering from a winter that doesn't seem interested in letting go.



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
Total Posts: 16784
Country: United States

So here is the takeoff sequence... five photos all shot at f/4 with Nikki, hand held as always.






You get a great shot of the Sausalito waterfront that includes floating homes and plenty of sailboats.



saph
Registered: Jun 10, 2012
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Country: United States

I see we are still arguing over who started which syndrome

And I see Reagan finally got curious about cold weather and sent up north to find out what the rest of us up here have been complaining about The wedding in the mountain chapel is super.

Jose, you have moved beyond being an expert on birds and botany, and now archaelogy is your strength too. You may really want to think about making a compilation of all these photos you have taken on your trip. And just saw your bokeh playing shots with the 50 f2 AI, those really are without extension tubes? Wow.

Ronny, the Nitro shots whether with the 180 or 135 are always very well executed.

Interesting discussion on the 70-300VR vs. manual Nikon teles. I never got satisfying sharpness at 300mm out of it. I don't use the 300 4.5 ED AIS as much now, but the 400mm 5.6 ED AIS is way better than the AF zoom. Its possible as John said the 70-300VR just had sample variation and mine was not one of the better copies.

Peter, nice shot of the two warbirds from different eras.

Ben, outstanding shot of the moon rising above the red and yellow building.

Curtis, great continuing Nikki series, and look forward to seeing more of Northern CA, including the giant redwood trees!

Chin, what a view over there of the waterfront!!!

Ray, nice sheep portrait and love the flowers with the 24 2.8 and the 300 4.5!

Ron, cool sign of spring, and very sharp with that 80-200 zoom. Today was finally the first pleasant day in MD too, hope that becomes a trend.

Leighton, I liked the yellow and blue knots!

Tony, very nice model shot, that is really pro work.

Dean, very nice images recently from you, great to have back actively on the thread!

Jeff, those interesting, wispy clouds work very well in that B&W image.

Georg, loved the budding flower surrounded by ice!

Leighton, the "sign of spring" was wonderful!



pburke
Registered: Oct 08, 2010
Total Posts: 3009
Country: United States

CGrindahl wrote:
So here is the takeoff sequence... five photos all shot at f/4 with Nikki, hand held as always.





I like this one best because of the background. Maybe you could explore the effect of the rotational blur filter in Photoshop to give that prop a little spin, since the engine appears to have stalled.



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