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kwoodard
Registered: Aug 04, 2012
Total Posts: 4683
Country: United States

One of you made mention of this: The 1/4000 top speed on the D600 is a real issue with me It would almost eliminate my daytime shooting wide open.

Why would this eliminate daytime shooting?

For what I like and my $$ a Dx will work for a long time for me. Ray, if I was in your shoes, I would pony up for the D7100 as you are a master of the Dx format and for what you shoot a lot, I think that format works amazingly well in your hands.



kwoodard
Registered: Aug 04, 2012
Total Posts: 4683
Country: United States

asiostygius wrote:
I need to share a fact occurred to me during this last trip to Italy.
After torturing myself about which lenses to put in my bag I decided finally for the 16mm f/3.5 F ai'd; 20mm f/2.8 ais CPU'd, 55mm f/3.5 micro (lighter than the 55/2.8); 85mm f/1.8 K ai'd CPU'd + TC16A for reach if needed; and (shame on me!) a 24-120mm f/4 VR AF-S (a 3 in one lens - wide/normal/short tele).

Below is a graph accounting for lens use (MF vs. AF) in the 7 active shooting days.


Untitled-1 by labecoaves, on Flickr

In spite of the convenience of the AF zoom, its comparatively cheap feeling in the hand and the horrible plastic hood led me to use almost exclusively MF Nikkors after the two first days!
Those solid and metal lenses with smooth focus operation gave me a so much better feeling in my hands; slowing down but at the same time maximizing the fun of taking pictures.
Apart for some situations as BIFs and "nervous" or fast moving animals, I think that autofocus for me is becoming nearly irrelevant!
Sorry for my bad English!


Your English is better than mine, I did a similar chart for myself...why I don't have any AF lenses anymore.



Foggy14
Registered: May 01, 2010
Total Posts: 1472
Country: United States

Ronny, Peter, Samy and Leighton, thanks for the kind comments!

Jose, love the clouds and city lights. Very nice!

Ray, beautiful flower and background with the 85mm.

Chin, that's a very cool shot with the 45 pc-e. I just may need one of those pc lenses after all.



MDoc9523
Registered: Aug 13, 2006
Total Posts: 5115
Country: United States

kwoodard wrote:
One of you made mention of this: The 1/4000 top speed on the D600 is a real issue with me It would almost eliminate my daytime shooting wide open.

Why would this eliminate daytime shooting?

.

Because I have three F1.4 lenses. Shooting wide open would not be possible at 1/4000 of a sec because of too much light for that speed. The only answer would be to stop down or using a ND filter. The example I posted was at 1/8000 at F2 To use this lens under those circumstances with a D600 it would require stopping down to F5.6 thus destroying the DOF



kwoodard
Registered: Aug 04, 2012
Total Posts: 4683
Country: United States

MDoc9523 wrote:
kwoodard wrote:
One of you made mention of this: The 1/4000 top speed on the D600 is a real issue with me It would almost eliminate my daytime shooting wide open.

Why would this eliminate daytime shooting?

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Because I have three F1.4 lenses. Shooting wide open would not be possible at 1/4000 of a sec because of too much light for that speed. The only answer would be to stop down or using a ND filter. The example I posted was at 1/8000 at F2 To use this lens under those circumstances with a D600 it would require stopping down to F5.6 thus destroying the DOF


Makes sense, never thought about that to be honest... Guess this is my "learning something new everyday" moment...



mp356
Registered: May 31, 2009
Total Posts: 5639
Country: United States

MDoc9523 wrote:
asiostygius wrote:
leighton w wrote:
MDoc9523 wrote:
mp356 wrote:
MDoc9523 wrote:
What to do. what to do. what to do. I think I have my D7000 w/kit lens sold. Now do I wait to get the D7100 or, go for the D600 for sale locally for $1500 with 1000 actuations or a refurbished one or one listed on the B&S?



Say it ain't so Ray! Thinking of leaving the DX ranks. First Leighton, and now you are on the fence. You had cited some very good reasons a few days ago as to why the DX 7000/7100 make sense for your style of shooting. I have pondered some of the same issues. Good luck on your decision.
Scott

I am keeping the options open. The 1/4000 top speed on the D600 is a real issue with me It would almost eliminate my daytime shooting wide open. The reach is important as well. So my leaning is much more to the D7100 especially with the 24MP sensor. But like all major purchases I weigh all of the sides


Ray, keep in mind that the D600 can go down to 50 ISO L0.5 setting. In fact, it can go down to 42 ISO! They say it does this a loss of IQ, but I haven't noticed any. One more thing, I haven't had the 1/4000 top shutter speed keep me from any image yet simply for the reason I just mentioned.


Agreed with Leighton and would add that a simple ND filter can fix your Ray's concern when using ISO 100. Even a polarizer can do that in a emergency.


Well that may be true but I have never been a big fan of filters. To have to use a filter for daylight shooting seems like a pain
Here is an example of a shot I just took. Bear in mind this is Florida in the winter at 5:30 pm D7000 85mm 1.4 at F2 1/8000.







Ray, with either the FX or DX you would take amazing images. You are very talented. That said, the DX will give you that extra reach you are used to and the D7100 gives you 1/8000 top shutter speed. You will also save a few $$ compared to the D600. Of course, I am a happy D7000 owner so my opinion might be a bit partial.


mp356
Registered: May 31, 2009
Total Posts: 5639
Country: United States

asiostygius wrote:
Thank you Mark, Ray, Scott, Jeff, Ronny, Leighton, Peter and Samy for the words and welcome back.

One more from yesterday early night: odd clouds over the city.
This time with the 1971 made Nikkor-O 35/2 in my new toy (unfortunately arrived after my trip ) 2012 made D600:



Strange clouds over the city by labecoaves, on Flickr

Early night clouds over the city.
D600 + old Nikkor-O 35mm f/2 F ai'd, ISO 100, f/8 at 2 sec exposure.


Jose, another nice cityscape.



mp356
Registered: May 31, 2009
Total Posts: 5639
Country: United States

leighton w wrote:
David Antilley wrote:
Conga-rats to Jeff on another assignment win, you are killing them!!

David

saph wrote:
Just checked out the assignment thread. Agreed, great job Jeff!!


+1 !



+2 Jeff. Nice work!



georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
Total Posts: 4045
Country: Germany

MDoc9523 wrote:
kwoodard wrote:
One of you made mention of this: The 1/4000 top speed on the D600 is a real issue with me It would almost eliminate my daytime shooting wide open.

Why would this eliminate daytime shooting?

.

Because I have three F1.4 lenses. Shooting wide open would not be possible at 1/4000 of a sec because of too much light for that speed. The only answer would be to stop down or using a ND filter. The example I posted was at 1/8000 at F2 To use this lens under those circumstances with a D600 it would require stopping down to F5.6 thus destroying the DOF


Ray, don't blame the D600 and it's 1/4000 sec top speed, blame the "sunshine state" you live in ;-) For most countries 1/4000 sec is sufficient even for f/1.2 lenses...
More seriously, I wonder if the topspeed-limit of the D600 was a decision from Nikons marketing-people or the technicians. I suspect the former to be blamable.
Using ND-filters works pretty well with fast rangefinder-lenses, but I don't like them on a SLR (digital or not).
I would really like to know if the L1.0-setting (ISO50) will generate a visible image-degradation compared to the regular base ISO of ISO100. If not - well, than it will compensate the limited top-speed.
Jose now owns both the D7000 and the D600 - maybe he can compare the D7000's ISO100 with the D600's ISO50.
I've shot at L1.0 with my D700 and D3s and couldn't detect a distinct image-degradation. This shot was taken a while ago with the 50/1.2 Ais wide open at L1.0 (ISO100) on the D700. It was also overexposed quite a bit, so maybe shot at an equivalent of ISO 50 or so, which would be 2 full stops overexposure over the "native" base ISO of 200:

posted before, 50/1.2 wide open on a D700 at ISO100 (L1.0) and overexposed about 1 stop
(forgot the ND-filter at home)



rafaelcasd
Registered: Jan 07, 2011
Total Posts: 2487
Country: United States

Welcome Back Jose, thank you for the Bird compliments but it is not very hard to get great shots of tied-down raptors, we were just filling in for your absence. The TC 300 is good with the 400 3.5 but not necessarily with other lenses. You will love the D600 for dynamic range and those pixels.

Jeff, thanks for the compliment, fantastic clouds and cliffs on broken hill

Thanks to all for your kind comments on my El Salvador photos, it is soul healing to spend time with family and friends, to find your place in their heart available as always. It is good to revisit the old places and see them with new eyes.

Today we took a trip to an old town, El Salvador had a great boom in the second half of the 19th century, most old towns date their expansion to this period as the country was being planted with coffee, my great grandfather came from Barcelona about 1860s, baked bread, bought land and had 12 kids. The rest is history.

This town is Suchitoto, it still looks like it did at the turn of the 19th century. This is in the interior and is hot at this time of the year. Beer Sweat hot.

D800 and 25-50mm, this gate was for oxcarts and was widened at the bottom to allow a car in.


nikon nikkor 25-50mm D800 Suchitoto El Salvador 1867 Gate by Rafael CA, on Flickr

A crop of this at 100%

nikon nikkor 25-50mm D800 Suchitoto El Salvador 1867 Gate crop by Rafael CA, on Flickr

Schoolchildren going home, blondish hair is common in this part of the country.

nikon nikkor 25-50mm D800 Suchitoto El Salvador School children by Rafael CA, on Flickr

A great old restored house


nikon nikkor 25-50mm D800 Suchitoto El Salvador House by Rafael CA, on Flickr

A great old unrestored but maintained house


nikon nikkor 25-50mm D800 Suchitoto El Salvador by Rafael CA, on Flickr

And the interior


nikon nikkor 25-50mm D800 Suchitoto El Salvador interior by Rafael CA, on Flickr






georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
Total Posts: 4045
Country: Germany

Jose, welcome back and congrats to your new camera! The city-scapes are fabulous, great to see how well the oldie-Nikkor's work on todays demanding DSLR's.
How does the D600 "feel" compared to the old workhorse D3?
Can't wait to see your images from good ol' Europe.



georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
Total Posts: 4045
Country: Germany

Jeff, congrats to your assignment-win! The Broken Hill is wonderfully captured - I especially like the framing.

Chin, brilliant shot of the drawer! Simple subjects are hard to shoot, hats off to your skills!

Ron, thanks for sharing the pricelist from 1957! A Nikon S2 with the fast 50/1.1 would have been a good investment and a fantastic tool for the serious photographer too.

Rafael, I like the El Salvador-series a lot. The dynamic range of the last shot is amazing - did you use Active-D-Lighting?



georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
Total Posts: 4045
Country: Germany

Samy, Peter, Jose, Jeff, Scott, Ray, Mark, Chin, Ron and Leighton - thanks for your comments on the copter-shot!



rafaelcasd
Registered: Jan 07, 2011
Total Posts: 2487
Country: United States

georgms wrote:

Rafael, I like the El Salvador-series a lot. The dynamic range of the last shot is amazing - did you use Active-D-Lighting?

Georg

I use high Active D Lighting all the time, I try to keep a natural look but post process contrast, push and pull highlights and shadows to get the look I want. I would call this last shot a single frame HDR using the D800 amazing DR.



kings_freak
Registered: Jun 02, 2011
Total Posts: 952
Country: United States

rafaelcasd wrote:
georgms wrote:

Rafael, I like the El Salvador-series a lot. The dynamic range of the last shot is amazing - did you use Active-D-Lighting?

Georg

I use high Active D Lighting all the time, I try to keep a natural look but post process contrast, push and pull highlights and shadows to get the look I want. I would call this last shot a single frame HDR using the D800 amazing DR.


If you shoot RAW, I don't think Lightroom can recognize the D-Lighting info. I believe you have to use NX2. Not a big deal, but it was something that I noticed. Since I use LR, I usually have DL turned off.

–Tony



kings_freak
Registered: Jun 02, 2011
Total Posts: 952
Country: United States

Finally starting to feel a little better. I have been down with whatever cold/flu/plague crap that has been going around my shop. Saturday I felt ok for a little while and I met a new friend that came over for a shoot.

I thought I would throw my 2 cents into the discussion about ND filters and fast glass. For me, they are a necessity. I used a ND4 (2-Stop) for this shot, but would like to have had a ND8 to kill some more DOF. I have to use them, since I also use strobes out in the field and I am limited to 1/250th on my sync speed. I know I can use Nikon speedlights and use High-Speed sync, but I like having the power of a strobe head, especially when the sun is really bright. This was actually shot at around 1pm, so the conditions were less than ideal.

–Tony

Alicia by T&J Photography, on Flickr



kings_freak
Registered: Jun 02, 2011
Total Posts: 952
Country: United States

rafaelcasd wrote:
georgms wrote:
Rafael - what a beautiful set! My favs are the "Driveway" and the last shot. That 25-50 is tempting ;-)


Georg, the 25-50mm is very useful for daytime and flash work, it is wickedly sharp from 5.6 up and so well built, a bit heavy and large. I allows one to frame the shot while beign as good as any prime on its aperture range.

most of the pics I posted were of the 16mm, here is a couple more of the 25-50mm, this house belongs to a family friend, my dad's was sold long ago. I had an "Out of Africa" longing for the place and this picture reminds me of it.


nikon nikkor 25-50mm d800 coatepeque by Rafael CA, on Flickr


Wow, that is a beautiful tree! Great capture.

–Tony



kings_freak
Registered: Jun 02, 2011
Total Posts: 952
Country: United States

georgms wrote:
MDoc9523 wrote:
kwoodard wrote:
One of you made mention of this: The 1/4000 top speed on the D600 is a real issue with me It would almost eliminate my daytime shooting wide open.

Why would this eliminate daytime shooting?

.

Because I have three F1.4 lenses. Shooting wide open would not be possible at 1/4000 of a sec because of too much light for that speed. The only answer would be to stop down or using a ND filter. The example I posted was at 1/8000 at F2 To use this lens under those circumstances with a D600 it would require stopping down to F5.6 thus destroying the DOF


Ray, don't blame the D600 and it's 1/4000 sec top speed, blame the "sunshine state" you live in ;-) For most countries 1/4000 sec is sufficient even for f/1.2 lenses...
More seriously, I wonder if the topspeed-limit of the D600 was a decision from Nikons marketing-people or the technicians. I suspect the former to be blamable.
Using ND-filters works pretty well with fast rangefinder-lenses, but I don't like them on a SLR (digital or not).
I would really like to know if the L1.0-setting (ISO50) will generate a visible image-degradation compared to the regular base ISO of ISO100. If not - well, than it will compensate the limited top-speed.
Jose now owns both the D7000 and the D600 - maybe he can compare the D7000's ISO100 with the D600's ISO50.
I've shot at L1.0 with my D700 and D3s and couldn't detect a distinct image-degradation. This shot was taken a while ago with the 50/1.2 Ais wide open at L1.0 (ISO100) on the D700. It was also overexposed quite a bit, so maybe shot at an equivalent of ISO 50 or so, which would be 2 full stops overexposure over the "native" base ISO of 200:


On the D700, all I really noticed was a slight loss of contrast when I shot below the native ISO. With the D800, I really haven't noticed a difference when I shoot at ISO 50.

–Tony



Oosty
Registered: Mar 09, 2009
Total Posts: 4210
Country: South Africa

rafaelcasd wrote:

Thanks to all for your kind comments on my El Salvador photos, it is soul healing to spend time with family and friends, to find your place in their heart available as always. It is good to revisit the old places and see them with new eyes.

Today we took a trip to an old town, El Salvador had a great boom in the second half of the 19th century, most old towns date their expansion to this period as the country was being planted with coffee, my great grandfather came from Barcelona about 1860s, baked bread, bought land and had 12 kids. The rest is history.

This town is Suchitoto, it still looks like it did at the turn of the 19th century. This is in the interior and is hot at this time of the year. Beer Sweat hot.

D800 and 25-50mm, this gate was for oxcarts and was widened at the bottom to allow a car in.



Super series Rafael. I really love the last shot.



waysaz
Registered: Jan 13, 2005
Total Posts: 110
Country: United States

Hi, haven't been around much, but I have tried to follow the thread. Amazing work by all, as always. Still trying not to buy a D600. D7000s are cheap, D7000s are cheap, D7000s are cheap...

Here's one from a low tide last month, 75-150, f/8.



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