Manual Focus Nikon Glass
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leighton w
Registered: Nov 12, 2010
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Country: United States

Curtis, I looked on your profile and I could have sworn you had an 85mm f1.4. If so, how do you compare it with the 1.8 H version. Ray is supposed to give his feedback about that as well.



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
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Country: United States

leighton w wrote:
Curtis, I looked on your profile and I could have sworn you had an 85mm f1.4. If so, how do you compare it with the 1.8 H version. Ray is supposed to give his feedback about that as well.


I have the 85 f/2 AI-s, the 85 f/1.8H AI'd and, yes, the 85 f/1.4 AI-s. I had the f/1.4 with me when I traveled to Florida with the express intention of tempting Ray... I brought the 35 f/1.4 AI-s for the same reason, and guess what? I succeeded. He now owns both of those lenses.

I haven't done a formal comparison of the H and the f/1.4 but I've certainly enjoyed the older lens. I would note, however, that for $152.59 plus shipping, it was a wonderful deal. I paid $600 for the f/1.4. Granted, the fast lens was in better condition, but it isn't easy to find perfect copies of forty year old lenses. I'm happy I have both lenses, but in terms of value for money, the H is a pretty sweet deal. When weather improves a bit I'll take some comparison shots between the two lenses and share my observations. I might even through in the f/2 lens as well. I was very pleased with that lens when it first arrived in my kit. This was shot with the f/2 with a 20mm tube attached.



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
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Here is a wide open shot of the leaf I posted yesterday, taken with the 85 f/1.8 H AI'd. It handles out of focus areas quite well.



leighton w
Registered: Nov 12, 2010
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Thanks for the comparison Curtis. I need/want a fast 85 in my arsenal, but I'm not sure I need the speed of the 1.4, (not to mention the cost for having that speed). When I used Nikki, I found f2 or 1.8 was fast enough considering that I could go to 6400 iso with no sweat on my D600. I DO know that Nikki can be sharp as a tack when stepped down a little bit so I'm not sure what I'd gain by getting the 1.4. Perhaps they differ in contrast and color output, I just don't know. Anyway, I may have a beat on a Nikki sister here locally, I'm going to go check it out one day soon. Thanks again!

Ray, if you read this, I'm waiting...



Oosty
Registered: Mar 09, 2009
Total Posts: 4210
Country: South Africa

Curtis - great to have you back with us and nice images too

Jose - the B&W "film style" is a knock out - I loved the old filters specially when I forgot to take them off when I put in a colour film until there was a "duh" moment!!

Georg - more great images - I like the gables on the buildings. We have many in SA based on Dutch and probably German influences.

Alan - I can remember taking B&W images of my son in 1973 when he was a year old - 40 yrs ago - and turning the kitchen into a "semi" dark room. It seems like yesterday and now he has 4 of his own....treasure these moments. Very nice pics.

Tony R - our countries share so much - wide open spaces and the thrill of seeing the occasional wild animal where only a couple of hundred years ago they covered the plains. What an evocative image - gorgeous.

Leighton - Barbara's blog really tells it the way it is. Here sheep generally lamb naturally and out in the open in very large paddocks but it's not without the trauma of losing lambs to the occasional Caracal lynx or Jackal who tend to cause havoc when they manage to get in. Many farmers have taken on Anatolian sheepdogs who have an amazing protective attitude to sheep and usually keep predators at bay.



CGrindahl
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leighton w wrote:
Thanks for the comparison Curtis. I need/want a fast 85 in my arsenal, but I'm not sure I need the speed of the 1.4, (not to mention the cost for having that speed). When I used Nikki, I found f2 or 1.8 was fast enough considering that I could go to 6400 iso with no sweat on my D600. I DO know that Nikki can be sharp as a tack when stepped down a little bit so I'm not sure what I'd gain by getting the 1.4. Perhaps they differ in contrast and color output, I just don't know. Anyway, I may have a beat on a Nikki sister here locally, I'm going to go check it out one day soon. Thanks again!

Ray, if you read this, I'm waiting...


You know that value for money has been a motivator for me through this entire journey. I invested in the high priced spread only after liberating money from the final five Canon lenses and the Canon 5D I sold when the siren call of Nikon overwhelmed me. I'm very happy to own all those fast lenses, but it certainly wasn't dissatisfaction with what the slower lenses were capable of doing. Without those liberated funds, I would doubtless of been very happy with my first collection of lenses. And, of course, my more recent fascination with even older lenses, stirred no doubt by Ben's arrival on the thread, has me enjoying old, SLOW lenses like the 28 f/3.5H AI'd and the embarrassingly cheap 50 f/2 H AI'd. Yes, speed can be important in some circumstances, but as you note, the current crop of DSLR cameras are so good in low light, we have a great deal more flexibility.

Here's a photo taken last summer with the 50 f/2 H AI'd that I bought for $56... not a bad investment.



Oosty
Registered: Mar 09, 2009
Total Posts: 4210
Country: South Africa

Some experiments with the 105 2.5 + about 1cm tube and two conversions - the first my standard PSE 6 version and the second using Topaz B&W effects



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
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Greetings Peter. How you're enjoying summer as we contend with winter rains in California. I guess we're fortunate that at least come of our compatriots have decent weather so photos will continue to appear on this thread that never sleeps...

Hope the new year finds you well and in good spirits.



leighton w
Registered: Nov 12, 2010
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Country: United States

CGrindahl wrote:
leighton w wrote:
Thanks for the comparison Curtis. I need/want a fast 85 in my arsenal, but I'm not sure I need the speed of the 1.4, (not to mention the cost for having that speed). When I used Nikki, I found f2 or 1.8 was fast enough considering that I could go to 6400 iso with no sweat on my D600. I DO know that Nikki can be sharp as a tack when stepped down a little bit so I'm not sure what I'd gain by getting the 1.4. Perhaps they differ in contrast and color output, I just don't know. Anyway, I may have a beat on a Nikki sister here locally, I'm going to go check it out one day soon. Thanks again!

Ray, if you read this, I'm waiting...


You know that value for money has been a motivator for me through this entire journey. I invested in the high priced spread only after liberating money from the final five Canon lenses and the Canon 5D I sold when the siren call of Nikon overwhelmed me. I'm very happy to own all those fast lenses, but it certainly wasn't dissatisfaction with what the slower lenses were capable of doing. Without those liberated funds, I would doubtless of been very happy with my first collection of lenses. And, of course, my more recent fascination with even older lenses, stirred no doubt by Ben's arrival on the thread, has me enjoying old, SLOW lenses like the 28 f/3.5H AI'd and the embarrassingly cheap 50 f/2 H AI'd. Yes, speed can be important in some circumstances, but as you note, the current crop of DSLR cameras are so good in low light, we have a great deal more flexibility.

Here's a photo taken last summer with the 50 f/2 H AI'd that I bought for $56... not a bad investment.



Ahhh decisions, decisions...after all, have the fun of all of this is shopping for the lens! And quit tempting me with those old lenses by showing stunners like this one!



leighton w
Registered: Nov 12, 2010
Total Posts: 12621
Country: United States

Oosty wrote:

Leighton - Barbara's blog really tells it the way it is. Here sheep generally lamb naturally and out in the open in very large paddocks but it's not without the trauma of losing lambs to the occasional Caracal lynx or Jackal who tend to cause havoc when they manage to get in. Many farmers have taken on Anatolian sheepdogs who have an amazing protective attitude to sheep and usually keep predators at bay.


Thank you Peter, we don't have quite the predator problem as it sounds like the farmers in your neck of the woods do. We do have the occasional Coyote, but our dogs will take care of them! The Anatolian you mention are another very good protector.

I really like the conversion samples of the glasses. I can't make up my mind which I like better.



saph
Registered: Jun 10, 2012
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Too cold to step out anywhere so I will post an older picture taken with the 28 3.5 PC.

I have come across some very cool hawks sitting on trees in the last couple days but have just so happened not to have the camera handy to take a picture. With no leaves on trees here its actually easier to spot those birds. But too much trouble to zip back home in the cold, grab the camera and hope the hawk doesn't disappear in the meanwhile

Samy



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
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You're right Leighton, half the pleasure is in the hunt. That may be why my ardor is diminished. There really isn't much left for me to buy. The hunt for the H.C. version of the 85 proved too frustrating. Of course, I still have to change aperture rings on the 50 f/1.4 S and S.C. lenses. The 50 I mentioned is in fact the H.C., so nowhere to go in that regard. I'm not interested in long, HEAVY lenses and I don't shoot wide often enough to hunt down a clean 20 f/3.5 UD that has the factory AI conversion. I need better weather so I can simply get out and shoot with the fine lenses already in my kit...



Mishu01
Registered: Nov 20, 2009
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Country: Romania

leighton w wrote:
Just a few from the barn today. With the 24mm f2.8.







I like your "particle" Leighton! Great capture and conversion!


leighton w
Registered: Nov 12, 2010
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Thanks Mihai, I think the "Particle" would fit in the mouth of my dog!



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
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Okay, we got a bit of sun and I did my informal, casual lens test that will surely disappoint anyone who is dedicated to precision. No tripod and at approximately the same location relative to the subject, which has no hard edges to take hold of when focusing. All shots were taken wide open. I've noted the lens used in the comparison. Remember, the f/1.4 cost $600, the f/1.8 cost $152 and the f/2 cost $206 if I recall correctly. All lenses have hoods. So here goes Leighton... you decide. NO post processing, merely cropping. These are 100% crops downsized.



CGrindahl
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And here is a closer look at the images above...



leighton w
Registered: Nov 12, 2010
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Well, the 1.4 and 1.8 look close to me, with the edge going to the 1.4 in both color and contrast, and also bokeh. The f2 is out of the running. I wonder how the 1.8 H.C. would hold up against the 1.4 since it has a better coating than the H version. All very interesting, thanks Curtis!



leighton w
Registered: Nov 12, 2010
Total Posts: 12621
Country: United States

CGrindahl wrote:
And here is a closer look at the images above...



Well now, this makes it a wee bit more difficult! That 1.4 is awesome.



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
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Here are the three lenses...



If you're a bokeh junky, the 85 f/1.4 AI-s is tough to beat. It it a gorgeous hunk of glass. This was shot wide open with the 50 f/2 H.C. AI'd.



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
Total Posts: 16784
Country: United States

leighton w wrote:
Well, the 1.4 and 1.8 look close to me, with the edge going to the 1.4 in both color and contrast, and also bokeh. The f2 is out of the running. I wonder how the 1.8 H.C. would hold up against the 1.4 since it has a better coating than the H version. All very interesting, thanks Curtis!


From what I've read, the change in coating had to do with a flaring problem that is managed quite well if you use a lens hood. The optical design is unchanged, at least according to photosynthesis and MIR. Yes, Bjorn lists the H.C. version and that was surely a contributing factor in Ben buying that particular version. I certainly wouldn't turn my back on that lens if I found one with the Nikon AI conversion at a decent price. And, of course, searching for the Holy Grail has occupied men since the beginning of time, so if that particular hunt stirs your juices I say go for it. I bought the H simply to get a feel of the lens and because I found one on E-Bay that was affordable. Perhaps if I stumble on a deal for a non-AI H.C. I'd consider swapping aperture rings, though I haven't done that with the 50 f/1.4 S.C. I bought for the same purpose.

When Nikki arrives I'll do some comparison shooting... for the good of the order.



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