Manual Focus Nikon Glass
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pbraymond
Registered: Oct 23, 2009
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Leighton, the sunrise shots are awesome!!!!



leighton w
Registered: Nov 12, 2010
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Thank you everyone for the nice words regarding the sunrise! Much appreciated!



leighton w
Registered: Nov 12, 2010
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huddy wrote:
My 4 favorites?
28/2 AI
50/1.2 AI-S
105/2.5 AI-S
180/2.8 ED AI-S


WHAT! No 50-135mm f3.5?



MarkdV
Registered: Jul 05, 2012
Total Posts: 1152
Country: Poland

leighton w wrote:
Thank you everyone for the nice words regarding the sunrise! Much appreciated!


I don't know if it's the season or what Leighton, but your work at the moment is on fire. from that stunning white-on-white image of Jed to those sunrise shots with the 180 you are posting just some absolute fab stuff.



huddy
Registered: Oct 19, 2010
Total Posts: 1886
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leighton w wrote:
huddy wrote:
My 4 favorites?
28/2 AI
50/1.2 AI-S
105/2.5 AI-S
180/2.8 ED AI-S


WHAT! No 50-135mm f3.5?


Sorry Leighton, but if I had to take 4 Nikon MF jewels to my grave, it would be those. The 50-135 is #5 on my list.



rafaelcasd
Registered: Jan 07, 2011
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Country: United States

michaelwatkins wrote:
Hello folks,

I'm a newcomer to Nikon, but not new to manual focus lenses. On Contax and NEX and Ricoh GXR I've been using a variety of lenses but to date have had very little experience with Nikon optics so I've got something of a learning curve to go through and some fun no doubt. I'm reading through this very long (congrats!) thread with great interest.

On full frame film rangefinder cameras I shoot 25mm, 35mm (mostly), and a fast 50/1.5 and 75/2.5 for portraits. On crop cameras I've been shooting 25mm(mostly - 35mm equivalent) and 50/1.5 (75mm equivalent) but have also have 18mm(28mm) and 35mm(50mm). All manual focus.

I've recently bought a full frame Nikon digital body partly to get back the full frame perspective, partly to gain access to some ultra wides, and, egads, to also gain autofocus for a couple of focal lengths for use when I need AF. I tend to prefer primes, and until recently, didn't own any AF lenses at all.

At the moment I'm am looking for an everyday go-to lens in my favourite focal length - 35mm (manual focus, perhaps ultimately both MF and AF) as well 24mm or 28mm lenses.

I use 35mm for everything from documenting life up close to medium distances and occasionally out to infinity for landscapes and city scapes, but mostly subjects a few feet away to fifty feet. Wider gets more use for big views and out to infinity but also close in.

As I use 35mm the most, I'm keen for suggestions from folks here and am already trolling the thread for examples.

For a slightly wider view I'm wondering, ignoring focus method, how the 24/2.8 AiS and 24/2.8 AF-D, and 28/2.8 AiS compare strictly on an optical basis?

Best of the season to one and all,
Mike

Mike, I was speaking to the 35mm in my prior posting, to answer the last question in your list, let's talk now to the 24 and 28mm by quoting respected reviewers whose statements match my experience:
http://www.donferrario.com/ruether/slemn.html
The SUBJECTIVE lens evaluation numbers are:

0 -- unable to form an image
1 -- very poor image quality, a "pop bottle bottom"
2 -- low image quality, possibly usable for snapshots
3 -- fair image quality, perhaps good at one or two stops
4 -- good to excellent image quality at most normally used stops,
a professional-level lens, but with some limitations (this level,
with many fractional gradations, includes most Nikkors)
5 -- excellent image quality at all stops, with only minor limitations
6 -- near perfect lens with hard to detect shortcomings
7 -- absolutely perfect lens in every respect

24mm f2.8 AI 4.2-4.7 (many samples) needs shade, some samples are not quite as crisp at the edges and corners near infinity focus as the slightly wider 20mm f2.8, but the best samples are excellent by f5.6; >>>>>AF optics are the same<<<<<<

28mm f2.8 AIS 4.8 (4 samples) good wide open short of far corners, excellent sharpness at most stops

or

http://www.naturfotograf.com/lens_wide.html

1= Poor, use as a paperweight unless you have perverse photographic interests to pursue.
2= Mediocre quality, but useful if there isn't an alternate lens around. Get something better.
3= Good, but not overwhelming quality. Will do for non-exacting or amateur use.
4= Very good, quality results can be expected. Such lenses can safely be applied to professional photography.
5= Excellent. Use such lenses as often as possible and let other people wonder about the quality you can achieve with them.

24 mm f/2.8 Nikkor [non-AI, AI,AIS ] 4-4.5 (F2, F4, F5)
4(-) (D2X, D200)
4.5 (FX: D3, D3X)
IR 3-4 (D70, D200 modified)
Nikon released its major achievement, CRC (Close Range Correction) with this lens in 1968 and it got a well-deserved popularity in the years afterwards. There have been a number of versions of this 24 mm lens, the first without multi-coating and f/16 as minimum aperture, the next multi-coated but still f/16, and the later versions (AI, AIS) going to f/22. Nikon has made several changes to the optical formula during the long life-span of this lens, which still is on Nikon's price list. Earlier versions flared less easily, but could produce quite visible ghosting when employed under strongly backlit situations. Newer versions flare more easily, but the resistance to ghosting has improved provided the lens is well stopped down. It gives very sharp images corner-to-corner even at the near limit thanks to CRC, but beware of field curvature if you are shooting perfectly flat subjects at close range. Some light fall-off towards the corners is evident at f/2.8 and gone by f/4-f/5.6. Set the lens to f/5.6-f/11 to get the best picture quality, but do not stop down to f/22 unless absolutely necessary. It provides excellent results when an ultra-thin K1 ring is added, and gives good results with a 4T close-up lens if some corner softness is accepted. The 24/2.8 MF Nikkor is a classic lens in the Nikon line and one that remains a dependable workhorse to this day.
However, on a D2X or D200 and depending on subject, the CA can be quite troublesome and it surely detracts from the overall sharpness of the 24 lens. So I was quite surprised to observe the excellent image quality my 24/2.8 delivered on the FX models, in particular on the D3X.

IR performance: A central hot-spot is commonly seen when the lens is used for IR. NOT recommended for IR unless you use it fairly wide open. Some cameras interact better with this lens, so for example, on my modified D200, hot spots are more rarely a nuisance.


28 mm f/2.8 Nikkor (0.2 m Close-Focus)[AIS]
5 (near: F4)

3.5 (distant: F4)

5 (near: D2X)

5 (FX: D3, near)

IR: 2-3 (DX: D70, D200 modified)
Nikon designed this lens to yield sharp images even used for close-up photography. This was achieved thanks to its advanced 8-element design and a CRC feature acting on the front elements as with the 28/2 Nikkor. Images taken up close really are extremely sharp in the middle part of the picture and sharpness extends quite gracefully into the corners. Optimum near-focus sharpness is obtained at f/5.6 and f/8. For distant scenes, however, corner sharpness isn't that remarkable and ghosting under adverse conditions can be troublesome. There is some corner colour fringing present, too.
The close-focusing 28 copes very well with D2X, and for near subjects, you are assured of high quality images with virtually no CA issues (not yet tested for distant subjects with this camera).

The 28/2.8 behaved very well on the D3, and the vignetting into the corners is hardly an issue with this lens. It was virtually devoid of CA, too.

IR performance: A strong tendency to producing an ugly hot spot makes it a poor candidate for IR work. I've seen this issue with several camera models.

Some other links to check
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/comparisons/24mm/
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/28f28ais.htm
This is Nikon's sharpest manual-focus wide angle lens.
Nikon let their designers go wild on this one. Instead of a simple 5 element design that every other 28mm f/2.8 lens uses, including the original AF version, this lens has EIGHT elements in EIGHT groups. This allows it a level of correction seen in no other Nikon wide angle.

No other Nikon 28mm lens performs this well: the 28mm f/1.4D AF has some barrel distortion and really is optimized for night photography, and every other 28mm lens just isn't designed as thoroughly.

This AI-s lens (1981-present) is completely different from the older AI lens. Nikon made a big upgrade to the optics when they upgraded it to AI-s, and they really pulled out all the stops.

Not only does this Nikkor uses 8 elements, it also uses floating elements to optimize its performance as it is focused at every distance.

This is also Nikon's closest-focusing lens, with a close-focus distance of 7 inches (0.6 ft), or 20 cm.

There is no sharper manual-focus wide angle lens made by Nikon, and it is the only Nikon wide angle, along with the 15mm f/3.5, that is completely free from barrel distortion at ordinary distances.

Optically this is an almost perfect lens, and one of the most perfect lenses you can get to fit a Nikon camera.

(Rafael's comment: my NC and ais samples of 28mm 2.0 are better at the center fully open, worse at the corners, and better overall from 4.0 up, than my 28mm 2.8 ais. It is a small difference on the D800)



box185
Registered: Oct 14, 2012
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anthonysemone
Registered: Mar 08, 2008
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the lens I will always regret having sold



georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
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Anthony, that's a beautiful portrait of your buddy! Great light and beautiful bokeh!



anthonysemone
Registered: Mar 08, 2008
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thank you, she is just amazing. And enormously patient with me goofing around with a camera and lens in her face



anthonysemone
Registered: Mar 08, 2008
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Bottom line: any of ya'll have a Nikkor 85/1.4 Ai-S DON'T EVER SELL IT



anthonysemone
Registered: Mar 08, 2008
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And the 180/2.8 ED Ai-S is pretty good too



MDoc9523
Registered: Aug 13, 2006
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Wonderful images Anthony. I have the 85mm 1.4 AIS and I can assure you it would be the last lens I would ever part with. Your dog is simply beautiful!



MDoc9523
Registered: Aug 13, 2006
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leighton w wrote:
Since Skies seem to be the theme today, I was able to capture a beautiful sunrise this morning. I didn't think there was going to be one when I went out to feed the chickens. But as I was feeding, I looked up and saw it starting. I ran back to the house, kicked off my old dirty chore boots, went to the office and grabbed my camera and then ran back out side. By the time I got back out, it was just about over. Seems like they only last for a few minutes.

Both of them with the 180mm f2.8.

Worth another look because it's a fantastic shot!






huddy
Registered: Oct 19, 2010
Total Posts: 1886
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Here is a really nice 35/2 AI-S for sale for only $179 on the bay: LINK. It's a steal at that price.

I'm contemplating a 35/1.4 AI-S again. Yikes. Edit, dodged it... I'm still waiting for a lens with a serial number above 600000 for $450 or less. Here is a really nice copy for sale though: B&S Board Link. Seller was about to put up pics I think.



MDoc9523
Registered: Aug 13, 2006
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Nice work with 24mm Phillippe
SweetMK That looks like a difficult shot to grab with a manual lens - well done!
Mark great work with the 28mm 2.8E Cute shirt
Paul that's some wonderful bokeh!
Scott I love the snow on the pine.
Paul the Santa is quite charming
Tony congrats on the new lens acquisition
Rafael thank you for the information on the 28mm



MDoc9523
Registered: Aug 13, 2006
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huddy wrote:
Here is a really nice 35/2 AI-S for sale for only $179 on the bay: LINK. It's a steal at that price.

I'm contemplating a 35/1.4 AI-S again. Yikes.


You won't regret getting the 35mm 1.4 Alan. I love mine!



huddy
Registered: Oct 19, 2010
Total Posts: 1886
Country: United States

MDoc9523 wrote:
huddy wrote:
Here is a really nice 35/2 AI-S for sale for only $179 on the bay: LINK. It's a steal at that price.

I'm contemplating a 35/1.4 AI-S again. Yikes.


You won't regret getting the 35mm 1.4 Alan. I love mine!


Not getting it one back yet unfortunately. I'm on the hunt for a very particular version and this one didn't fit the bill.

I know it is silly but my pick 4 lenses don't even include my favorite lens, the 35/1.4 AI-S. If I based a kit around that, it would be:
35/1.4
105/2.5
180/2.8
300/2.8



MDoc9523
Registered: Aug 13, 2006
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I have been editing some photos that I had been neglecting for quite a while. These were taken with the 80-200mm 4.5 AI These shot of Billy Ocean were taken at Disney. Here a link to the entire folder. http://raysteele.zenfolio.com/p898490856







georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
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John, very nice pictures of your daughters! The photograph of the globe in progress is very cool.

Leighton, wow, fantastic landscapes! Basically I love all of them including the fence-post, but the B&W-shot is spectacular!
Those deep and dark clouds look frightening close - I was instantly looking for an umbrella ;-)

Philippe, very cool shots with the 24PC-E! Personal fav is the first "Piano"-shot. The renting-prices are tempting.

Mark, what a cool t-shirt for your assistant The swiss-sky-shots, especially the first one, are really nice.

John (from Virgina) - thanks for sharing your UFO-shots! Very inspiring work - well done!

Scott, love the snow on the twigs!

Rafael, the runner shot with with 35/1.4 wide open is really nice. I like the muted tones and colors.
Your 8mm-fisheye-shot is spectacular - but I miss your shoes on that shot
Sorry for the lame joke, I've shot a few images with a Sigma-8mm in the past and sometimes a shoe or a tripod-leg was visible.

Tony, congrats to your 55/1.2 SC! Looks really good!



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