Black & White (89 Images)
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Evan Baines
Registered: Jan 15, 2007
Total Posts: 5457
Country: United States

tmkdesign wrote:
Obviously these are more amazing than anything I could ever imagine myself doing. And I'm sure that as I develop I would look back on these and see things I can't even begin to understand now. I usually lurk and not comment on something that I really can't give a good critique on.... but I must ask, if simply because you stated you needed help picking what to print, where it the head of the figure opposite bride and goom in picture 25?


Good catch. I accidentally put that one in.... I meant to put another frame into the set. I've replaced it. Thank you.



Sergio Mottola
Registered: Sep 20, 2006
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Country: United States







filthy, this set is some upper echelon shit.


Sergio Mottola
Registered: Sep 20, 2006
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also, your film black and whites are so much better than my fake film black and whites.



babakn
Registered: Jul 06, 2005
Total Posts: 422
Country: United States

Best set from you Baines! All pics looks good, only wish there would be little less grain.



Eyeball
Registered: Jan 11, 2005
Total Posts: 3721
Country: Mexico

Evan Baines wrote:
Eyeball: It is a great question. First, on the purely objective end, you're absolutely right that with a lot of effort, you could get digital shots to look pretty darn close to this on a screen. The grain might not be as truly random and organic (unless you scanned grainy negs and spent ridiculous effort on it), and the highlight roll-off and other issues might be subtly different.... but you could get close enough to fool all but a true conniseur.

The difference really shows up when you start making prints. A true darkroom fiber print made from film has a depth and presence that cannot be simulated with digital technology. Believe me, I've tried. I love digital printmaking, and I'd like to think I'm pretty good at it. Digital prints can be beautiful.... but they are different than film prints.

And on a more philosophical level: authenticity matters to me. There is part of me that recoils deep down inside about the fact that all of my digital black and white images are film "simulations" with "authentic-looking" grain and tonality. These film shots don't pretend to be anything but what they are. They're not "reproductions" of the film look: they just ARE. This won't matter to everyone: not even to most people. However, I'm spending a lot of money and effort putting together a sample album predicated on the idea that there are still people out there who agree with me on this. I don't want this to be a film vs. digital thing because I still love digital. Its amazing, and there are many aspects of modern wedding photography that hugely benefit from digital technology. I just know I'm glad my wedding was shot on B&W film, and would make the same choice today.


Evan - Thanks for the detailed response. Film vs. digital can be debated in many ways but I was curious what your reasons were and you explained them very well. I wish you the best success with this special product/service.



TTLKurtis
Registered: Jan 31, 2006
Total Posts: 9734
Country: United States

I'm headed to the accountant so I'll pick favs later, but I want to say that I just went from six to midnight. :P



Matt B.
Registered: Dec 22, 2006
Total Posts: 1985
Country: United States

What I find amazing is just how timeless this set truly is...and I mean that in a highly respectful and admiring way. Seriously, with one or two exceptions where you can see Sam or another person using a digital camera, these pictures look like they could have been taken decades ago.

I don't know how much the B&W or film contributes to that, or if it's just your style Evan, but that to me is such an impressive quality.

In terms of favorites, I really like 44, 47, 49, and 78. As someone else said, I could see 78 hanging on my own wall as a fine art piece, that was one of the first things I thought of.



peterfriday
Registered: Mar 20, 2009
Total Posts: 315
Country: United States

dude, magnum package for sure.

I'm glad we labeled everything that was push/pulled correctly and I didn't lose film rolls. You should have taken a hipstamatic iphone pic of the TSA guy hand checking 50 rolls of film.

I learned a ton from you and Sam this weekend, thanks!



LeeW
Registered: Dec 28, 2008
Total Posts: 63
Country: United Kingdom

These are all great & 15-20 of the images are absolutely superb. I love the look of film, I try & emulate the look myself in some of my digital B&W's. Very, very well done!



brucemuir
Registered: Dec 24, 2008
Total Posts: 3316
Country: United States

^
Peter, did you soup the film?
What was the film processed in?
Would love to see the actual contact sheets.



Miker Reid
Registered: Nov 22, 2007
Total Posts: 1826
Country: United States

I have always said I would shoot only in black and white if I thought I could get away with it, but I just don't have the stones to try it.

In my head this is what wedding photography should look like, scans schmans, I like them exactly how they are with the grain and the blur and the not sharp.
There is so much character life and emotion in these I don't have the words really...

13 44 45 47 48 49 50 75 78 82 84
Really as good as it gets, Love Love all these shots.

Granted the wedding was a perfect opportunity to showcase this type of photography, the couple was amazing and classy.

I don't think these would have the same impact at Joe and Ruth's kegger wedding at Uncle Joes...apologies to Joe and Ruth.

Your skill as a photographer is really on showcase here as you made this look easy and we all know it was far from it.

Massive Kudos, charge a lot and market it well you will kill with this!



radioblurs
Registered: Aug 26, 2005
Total Posts: 4311
Country: United States

we already talked about this, B, but i want to put into writing how gorgeous this set is

i also am pretty lucky to be able to shoot with someone who takes documentary photography and black and white so seriously


daniel



lindabrowne
Registered: Apr 16, 2007
Total Posts: 2263
Country: United States

superb works of art
master of photography
inspiring my soul

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Evan, thank you for sharing. I've been looking for inspiration and here it is, on many levels. I'm sure the prints will be outstanding!

Linda



tmiller
Registered: Sep 05, 2005
Total Posts: 4183
Country: United States

I'm gonna say something no one has said here at least...


This better be at WPPI and win an award.... it's that great.


I'm honored to call you friend.

-Tim
Red Vine Studios



Riccis
Registered: Mar 16, 2010
Total Posts: 7
Country: United States

This is top notch work. Thanks for sharing!

Riccis



BKphotography
Registered: Oct 30, 2008
Total Posts: 3838
Country: United Kingdom

I wish I had the balls, skills and cash to do something like this.

I know for a fact the hand printed fibre based prints will be absolutely the moment of truth (a nod to ma man Guru RIP)

I know your buzzing right now... quite rightly so!

Well done, the Guinness is on you!



gabemc
Registered: Jun 23, 2005
Total Posts: 2965
Country: Canada

so they're good looking. huh

Evan..seriously...some of those images are what the term timeless really means.

#16 - wow. timeless
#18 - perfect. timeless
#50 - straight out of an ad. BEAUTIFUL. timeless
#77, 78, 78 & 80 - is one the most amazing sequences i have seen in sometime. a perfect capture of a wonderful moment. beautiful connection.

well done Evan.





unblinkable
Registered: Mar 22, 2005
Total Posts: 5566
Country: United States

I'm lovin' this for you. And I've already told you I think they're just lovely. Such a sweetness to them that we just don't see posted often.

The ONLY one that I would take out of the series is #5... the girl on the left looks VERY awkward. Unless there was something ACTUALLY, physically wrong with her, it's less than flattering. If there WAS a handicap of some sort, then it's perfect.



unblinkable
Registered: Mar 22, 2005
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Country: United States

I suppose this means we'll see Sam's digital results sometime in 2011?



tmiller
Registered: Sep 05, 2005
Total Posts: 4183
Country: United States

unblinkable wrote:
I suppose this means we'll see Sam's digital results sometime in 2011?


Hahah... I have a new quote tag. =oP

-Tim

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Melanie - "I suppose this means we'll see Sam's digital results sometime in 2011? "



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