ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
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carstenw
Registered: Dec 26, 2005
Total Posts: 16156
Country: Germany

In my experience, the Planar is at least as good as the Makro-Planar at f/5.6-f/8, so you wouldn't really gain anything. The MP also has some corner sharpness/field curvature issues wide open, although only in the extreme corners. I also much prefer the Planar's boke in most situations. The MP is a really good portrait lens slightly stopped down, and has some other strengths, like the close-focus ability.

I don't really see a way to have all the benefits you want here from only one lens, unless the Leica 60mm is fast enough for you, and you find it as good as the Planar for your uses.



johnahill
Registered: Jan 08, 2006
Total Posts: 3299
Country: United Kingdom

A couple from Devon last April, both ZE100MP



Jochenb
Registered: May 25, 2010
Total Posts: 2058
Country: Belgium

The 50MP used to be one of my favorite landscape lenses. Now I have the planar and while it's good stopped down, it's doesn't seem to have the exact same look as the makro-planar stopped down. I can't really put my finger on it, but the MP often looks more punchy.
That being said, I don't mind really. They're both excellent stopped down.

This might sound strange for many people, but the 50P is becoming one of my favorite ZE/ZF lenses (I've had many of them and tried most of them). It has a character, it's small, stopped down it's sharp corner to corner, I adore it for B&W,...
Good example that a lens doesn't have to be "perfect" for me.

Here's a shot from the 50P @ f1.6:


The foundling by Jochen-B, on Flickr



carstenw
Registered: Dec 26, 2005
Total Posts: 16156
Country: Germany

I agree very much, such a great lens. The cheapest of the lot too.

John, that first shot is a poster shot for the 100MP Very nice!



hijazist
Registered: Sep 14, 2012
Total Posts: 2975
Country: United States

Just got the 21 2.8 yesterday and this is my first Zeiss... I am not sure if I am going to keep it since the lens very much surpasses my skills!



Mescalamba
Registered: Jul 06, 2011
Total Posts: 3731
Country: Czech Republic

johnahill

Both beautiful, first really great. Pretty amazing look. Devon looks a bit like "Shire" in this one.



philip_pj
Registered: Apr 03, 2009
Total Posts: 4063
Country: Australia

more fine work, johnahill. It's hard, the 50mm choice for you, and we have this ongoing controversy with strong views on the better/more suitable/preferable ZE 50mm lens.

I will don the diplomacy cap (rare I know) and suggest you try both, from a kind
shop owner if at all possible, if you buy that way.Or a friend.

If you want high impact, more traditional landscape work with edge to edge excellence, the 50MP, hands down. If more the myserious look with elegant focus fade, softer colouration and a certain je ne c'est quoi, the 50P. You see great work from both.



Rodluvan
Registered: Sep 01, 2010
Total Posts: 713
Country: Sweden

Jochenb wrote:

This might sound strange for many people, but the 50P is becoming one of my favorite ZE/ZF lenses (I've had many of them and tried most of them). It has a character, it's small, stopped down it's sharp corner to corner, I adore it for B&W,...


Not strange at all, many have have waxed poetic about the lens stopped down, including me, and in particular how it does b&w. Perhaps it conserves tonality better than most, I don't know. I too consider my 50P as a fave even though I some of the top zeiss ZF lenses.



zhangyue
Registered: Jan 28, 2011
Total Posts: 4031
Country: United States

Jochenb, that shot is amazing, don't let lens take your credit



Peire
Registered: Apr 27, 2010
Total Posts: 2185
Country: Poland

johnahill wrote:
Need some thoughts and opinions here.

I have ZE50/1.4, Leica 60mm macro-elmarit and Voigtlander 58mm/1.4 nokton.

I like using the Zeiss and often shoot it around f5.6 or f8 for city-scapes, street shots and landscape.

I bought the Leica a while aho and use it a bit for macro, have thought recently about using it for pano's on a pano plate (which i already have).

Bought the voigtlander late last summer because i've always fancied having a go of this lens and while it's nice as a portrait lens i don't use it for much other stuff because the Zeiss is better.

Well, with all this kit my peli case is bursting at the seams.

How about getting red of the Leica and the Voigtlander and getting the 50mm Makro-Planar?
It seems to be a good replacement for the Leica and will probably be as good or better than the voigtlander for portraits.

For stopped down city-scenes will it trump the 50planar?

Thoughts and opinions greatly appreciated.

Cheers


For city/landscape scenes at around f8,50 MP behaves more or less like 50 ZE,but it has got a bit more of the Zeiss pop overall I would say.You'll also get useful 1:2 macro if you fancy some detail close up.To get a picture sharp across the frame/minimal CA with 50ZE one have to stop it down at least to f2.8 - same with 50MP but it is only only one f-stop more than wo.

I have 50ZE,50ZF2,50MPZF,58/1.4 Voigt and used to have 60/2.8 Leica macro.If I have to chose one of them it would be 50MP for both FF and APS-C - no doubts and no hesitation.



johnahill
Registered: Jan 08, 2006
Total Posts: 3299
Country: United Kingdom

Many thanks for all the comments re the 50P and 50MP, Jochenb - great shot.

A lot of my images tend to be stopped down with full DOF im the image - so the image is completly within the DOF and no focus fall-off.

Question - does the 50P character show when the image is completely within the DOF say at f5.6 or f8? Many of the examples of this lens's character are medium distance with nice focus transition.

Anyway, less of the pondering and more images, this a known as a bleeding heart. 100MP



johnahill
Registered: Jan 08, 2006
Total Posts: 3299
Country: United Kingdom

Peire wrote:
johnahill wrote:
Need some thoughts and opinions here.

I have ZE50/1.4, Leica 60mm macro-elmarit and Voigtlander 58mm/1.4 nokton.

I like using the Zeiss and often shoot it around f5.6 or f8 for city-scapes, street shots and landscape.

I bought the Leica a while aho and use it a bit for macro, have thought recently about using it for pano's on a pano plate (which i already have).

Bought the voigtlander late last summer because i've always fancied having a go of this lens and while it's nice as a portrait lens i don't use it for much other stuff because the Zeiss is better.

Well, with all this kit my peli case is bursting at the seams.

How about getting red of the Leica and the Voigtlander and getting the 50mm Makro-Planar?
It seems to be a good replacement for the Leica and will probably be as good or better than the voigtlander for portraits.

For stopped down city-scenes will it trump the 50planar?

Thoughts and opinions greatly appreciated.

Cheers


For city/landscape scenes at around f8,50 MP behaves more or less like 50 ZE,but it has got a bit more of the Zeiss pop overall I would say.You'll also get useful 1:2 macro if you fancy some detail close up.To get a picture sharp across the frame/minimal CA with 50ZE one have to stop it down at least to f2.8 - same with 50MP but it is only only one f-stop more than wo.

I have 50ZE,50ZF2,50MPZF,58/1.4 Voigt and used to have 60/2.8 Leica macro.If I have to chose one of them it would be 50MP for both FF and APS-C - no doubts and no hesitation.


Cheers Pierre

I'm thinking about getting the MP and having both 50's for a while.

How is the corner sharpness on the MP at f5.6 to f8? Is the reputed corner issue only wide open?



carstenw
Registered: Dec 26, 2005
Total Posts: 16156
Country: Germany

Only close to wide open, maybe gone by f/4.



twoeye
Registered: Jan 14, 2011
Total Posts: 705
Country: Norway

One more from today with the 1.4/35:









carstenw
Registered: Dec 26, 2005
Total Posts: 16156
Country: Germany

Nice!



zhangyue
Registered: Jan 28, 2011
Total Posts: 4031
Country: United States

carstenw wrote:
Nice!

+1



mortyb
Registered: Feb 15, 2009
Total Posts: 1464
Country: Norway

+1



bobring
Registered: Dec 04, 2005
Total Posts: 297
Country: United States

Shot with a Nikon D600 and my CZ 35mm f2 at f4 and 1/320 sec. Lobsters traps in winter all on a dock lined up towards the sea. The 35mm is my walk around lens on both my D600 & D800E. Just one great lens! Bob



bobring
Registered: Dec 04, 2005
Total Posts: 297
Country: United States

Boston: Standing on Fan Pier looking towards Rowe's Wharf a couple of Sundays ago on a foggy morning. Used the Nikon D600 and CZ 25mm ZF.2 F2 lens at f11. An HDR (with 3 shots). Bob



akul
Registered: May 30, 2010
Total Posts: 2554
Country: United States

John- Beautiful pastoral images.
JochenB - Love that shot with stroller. BW is perfect !!
twoeye - WOW !! just Wow !
Bob- Love the shot of Lobster cage. Very nice.



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