pengland wrote:
Ahhhhh.... I see...I made this comment in the hopes that you would show us what you lens can really do. Now that I understand the effect you were trying to achieve I can certainly respect that. It's rare to see "artistic representation" when showcasing lenses on this particular forum. It is however difficult or impossible to judge the characteristics of a particular lens when pics are noticeably altered (ie. increasing grain) or high ISO settings are used.

No, it's not impossible to see how the lens renders/draws, and the creamy bokeh, is also
pretty evident in this pictures, and that's the characteristics i'm looking for in a lens...

Sorry i'm not a brick wall shooter....

atufte wrote:
pengland wrote:
It would be nice to see these shots at a lower ISO. The noise really detracts from these pics.



Haha, i like this noise and actually make my images grainy myself, this images were shot at ISO 400, but i won't show them to you, hahaha....

BTW! I just got these comments on the exact same pictures:
(So not everyone agree's with you, thankfully...)

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"Yeh you've managed to get a really film-like tonal range there atufte

I like the first. It has lovely grain too! "

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"Heh, best digital B&W I've seen in ages, well done. Fantastic photos too"





I really like the grain!

pengland wrote:
It is however difficult or impossible to judge the characteristics of a particular lens when pics are noticeably altered (ie. increasing grain) or high ISO settings are used.

+1

OP - a suggestion: use this beauty on a 1D classic, and you'll have the nicest grain ever, without having to add much to it!

(I speak from experience...)

Damn you atufte, you just made me order one

atufte wrote:
It worked, and the lens is now a perfect match with my 5D MKII... thanks guys

Now all it needs is a good lube job, is there a good way to do this...? I can actually see the focus treads from the
back and can reach them with a syringe with either grease or oil...? (Grease it's probably the stuff to use?)

And again , i really love this lens with it's superb bokeh and unik way to draw the lines...

//Alex

How did you end up doing this? Did you disassemble the lens? I have a lens that I may be filing also

Very nice shots and as I've said, before, I really like your treatment of them!

Spyro P. wrote:
Damn you atufte, you just made me order one



Hehe, you won´t regret it, i promise you...

the grain sucks

weezintrumpete wrote:
atufte wrote:
It worked, and the lens is now a perfect match with my 5D MKII... thanks guys

Now all it needs is a good lube job, is there a good way to do this...? I can actually see the focus treads from the
back and can reach them with a syringe with either grease or oil...? (Grease it's probably the stuff to use?)

And again , i really love this lens with it's superb bokeh and unik way to draw the lines...

//Alex

How did you end up doing this? Did you disassemble the lens? I have a lens that I may be filing also

Very nice shots and as I've said, before, I really like your treatment of them!



Hi Patrick

I ended up just wrapping the whole lens in cling film, except the back of course, then
i rolled up small lines of light fabric and put between the back elements to close the
intrusion of dust and metal debris going in while filing, then i used a combination of a Dremel
and a fine small hand file and just removed everything that intruded out from the M42 adapter,
(until it was flush with the adapter, of course no filing without removing the adapter first..)
I also used scotch tape on the rear lens element for protection, two layers, to be sure

Good luck, this is easy...

Spyro P. wrote:
What a name for a lens though... "Bio-tar!"

Sounds like a fertiliser or worm food
Glorious moments for the Zeiss marketing dept

Are you trying to tell me something spyro

(sorry for such a lame post, I just had to react hadn't I? )

biotar wrote:
Are you trying to tell me something spyro

(sorry for such a lame post, I just had to react hadn't I? )

Bwahahaha

Hey at least this is just your screen name, you should see what my name brings to mind:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyro_the_Dragon

And it is my real name too

Cool! (Had it on the PS )

And at least a bit more ontopic, to me biotar sounds a bit scientific. And environmental-friendly indeed. I still lust for the 75/1.5 but I put myself on hold. Spent way too much on gear already

Haha you know I thought you had named yourself after that little purple dragon at first Spyro, until I clicked and realised the proper pronunciation

I've used this screen name since I was about 15... in my punk/hardcore hay day.

Oh on topic, I like the Zeiss names, I have a Biogon. Makes me think of futuristic cyborgs and such.

Haha cyborgs... sounds cool, maybe zeiss should introduce a bioborg series

I know I'd be buying one. And change my nick of course . Naaah, Biotar rocks! As does the name Spyro by the way. (you wouldn't want to be called Ieme for instance would you?)

Ieme sounds cool in Greek. Anyways can you post some more biotar photos while I'm waiting for it to arrive, give me something to anticipate? Been a long time since I lusted for a lens, atufte's photos looked really cool, very old school aesthetic

I wish I had one (hence the nick ) but seeing as I'm a poor lonesome student who spent too much on his gear already, I might have to wait some time...

the 75 is the one to have, if possible. I should shoot with mine more or else part with it. too many lenses not enough time. :-/

Ed, got any piccies with it?

I only shoot film so alas I haven't got any scanned at this point. Maybe someday soon. Check I think mflenses.org or manualfocus.org - one or the other of them have a gallery of results from various lenses, and there's a ton of biotar examples. The neatest thing about this lens is the swirly bokeh, I think.

-Ed