5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera
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Doo-bop
Registered: Jul 18, 2008
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5DMKII flaws, please post your best pictures which were sadly lost through pattern noise or whatever flaw the Canon has to offer. No test shots please.

People are invited to offer solutions to safe the images or tips how to avoid the problem in the futur.

I am eager to see lots of unique images which were rendered useless by the 5D

added:
The thread s purpose is that we have a place to discuss problems of an excellent camera and offer solutions where possible. I am sick of people who jump in all threads with always the same irrelevant test shots.
At the same time I think with a new tool you always have to learn about limits and problems.



Dawei Ye
Registered: Sep 15, 2007
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If a photo has been ruined, I'm not sure how it would represent one of our "best pictures"...well at least I hope not...

A tip would be to buy a better camera



dhphoto
Registered: Feb 16, 2003
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Doo-bop wrote:
5DMKII flaws, please post your best pictures which were sadly lost through pattern noise or whatever flaw the Canon has to offer. No test shots please.

People are invited to offer solutions to safe the images or tips how to avoid the problem in the futur.

I am eager to see lots of unique images which were rendered useless by the 5D


I have none.

Lots of bad pictures but none that were spoiled by the excellent camera.



Don Price
Registered: May 03, 2004
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It never made a mistake, only I make the mistakes



Will Patterson
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I didn't have any issues when I had my 5d2 for about 9 months. Sure I saw pattern noise, but only when I purposely increased the fill light in Lightroom, but I could do the same thing with my old 5D files.



Dawei Ye
Registered: Sep 15, 2007
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Personally, I think the poor AF sensitivity and accuracy and speed of the 5D2 is more of an issue than the low ISO pattern noise. The inability to use the outer points is annoying too - for my low light purposes with fast primes, the 5D2 is essentially a 1 AF point camera...thank god for its excellent cropability.



richhrly
Registered: Oct 28, 2008
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A good image with proper exposure shouldn't be ruined in post unless the post processing is done by someone who doesn't know what they're doing. In the days of manual people had to deal with whatever came out the other end so complaining about banding etc is just because people have gotten used to the luxury of bumping up fill light etc.

This thread is pretty much flame bait, really.



dhphoto
Registered: Feb 16, 2003
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richhrly wrote:
A good image with proper exposure shouldn't be ruined in post unless the post processing is done by someone who doesn't know what they're doing. In the days of manual people had to deal with whatever came out the other end so complaining about banding etc is just because people have gotten used to the luxury of bumping up fill light etc.

This thread is pretty much flame bait, really.


Is 'manual' the new word for 'film' ?

Actually I hope the thread will fill up with people saying the same us me, that the 5D2 is a terrific camera with no image issues in actual printed use (I agree the focusing system is looking tired) and some of the ludicrous scaremongering that has gone on is just the web doing what it does, which is circulating misinformation like a sewer.

David



richhrly
Registered: Oct 28, 2008
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dhphoto wrote:
richhrly wrote:
A good image with proper exposure shouldn't be ruined in post unless the post processing is done by someone who doesn't know what they're doing. In the days of manual people had to deal with whatever came out the other end so complaining about banding etc is just because people have gotten used to the luxury of bumping up fill light etc.

This thread is pretty much flame bait, really.


Is 'manual' the new word for 'film' ?

Actually I hope the thread will fill up with people saying the same us me, that the 5D2 is a terrific camera with no image issues in actual printed use (I agree the focusing system is looking tired) and some of the ludicrous scaremongering that has gone on is just the web doing what it does, which is circulating misinformation like a sewer.


Yeah, I didn't word it particularly well.

I agree entirely, my 5D2 has been fantastic in my experience. I even don't mind the focusing system that much - at least it's better than my old 300D



KKFung
Registered: Dec 20, 2008
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the camera AF flaw or my skill?

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Doo-bop
Registered: Jul 18, 2008
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The thread s purpose of course is that we have a place to discuss problems of an excellent camera and offer solutions where possible. I am sick of people who jump in all threads with always the same irrelevant test shots.
At the same time I think with a new tool you always have to learn about limits and problems.

So far my 5D2 worked like a charm, I sometimes wish I could get a firmware upgrade for the photographer



dhphoto
Registered: Feb 16, 2003
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Well the bucket looks sharp and that's almost over one of the corner AF points, and that is at f4 so I think the camera did it's job fine.



Doo-bop
Registered: Jul 18, 2008
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KKFung wrote:
the camera AF flaw or my skill?


Maybe a wide angle lens would help



jeremy_clay
Registered: Jan 14, 2008
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I didn't hang on to shots that were 'ruined', I typically deleted them.



Future Man
Registered: Mar 30, 2006
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There must be dozens of threads on FM relating to this. Is a new one really needed?



ChrisDM
Registered: May 17, 2005
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My shots that were ruined never made it onto the card, because they were a result of the camera not being able to acquire focus in time therefore not captured... It is why I use my 1 series cameras for critical work, other than landscape/travel.

Chris Miller
www.imagineimagery.com



kevinsullivan
Registered: Dec 07, 2005
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Any digital image can be tortured into a ruin. My 5D II works fine. When I need the ultimate in reliability (mostly in AF but also in fault tolerance) I move up to the 1Ds line. It's prosumer quality vs professional quality in terms of market segmentation. I do not really see a scandal surrounding 5D II performance (as there was around the 1D3 focusing, for example).



brainiac
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versus 1Ds3:


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a crop to show how noise limits DR:


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Don't get me wrong - my 5D2's are really excellent cameras in many ways, and great value for money. But they aren't perfect, and the shadow noise does sometimes cause difficulties when I want to stretch dynamic range to the maximum.


JasonJ
Registered: Oct 02, 2005
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Dawei Ye wrote:
Personally, I think the poor AF sensitivity and accuracy and speed of the 5D2 is more of an issue than the low ISO pattern noise. The inability to use the outer points is annoying too - for my low light purposes with fast primes, the 5D2 is essentially a 1 AF point camera...thank god for its excellent cropability.


I agree. I've been noticing how unreliable the outer AF points are on the 5D2. Have yet to see the banding issue on my own camera though.



ChrisDM
Registered: May 17, 2005
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Dawei Ye wrote:
Personally, I think the poor AF sensitivity and accuracy and speed of the 5D2 is more of an issue than the low ISO pattern noise. The inability to use the outer points is annoying too - for my low light purposes with fast primes, the 5D2 is essentially a 1 AF point camera...thank god for its excellent cropability.


The problem with this (excellent cropability) when shooting with fast primes is that this means you're losing control over DOF by changing your subject distance. I shoot with fast primes when I want shallow DOF, but the greatest variable (even more important than aperture) is subject distance. The more effective and accurate method, particularly when striving for shallow DOF, is to frame your subject as accurately as possible in-camera without cropping. Another strong reason the 5D2 stays in my bag for critical low light work.

Chris Miller
www.imagineimagery.com



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