c.d.embrey wrote:
Just look at any high end fashion magazines Paris Vogue, Italia Vogue, Numéro, etc, etc. They all crop tops of heads, hands, feet, elbows, etc, etc. Fashion photography is all about selling cloths -- they are not model portraits.




not really with just high end magazines. its part of fashion advertisement. but your right, cropping off body parts puts more emphasis on the product that the model is wearing/displaying.

I don't do "free".

I state in my agreement image may be cropped but no other adjustments can be made, unless discussed prior to publishing not sure if this is the satus quo, but I only have been published a handful of times. You should be able to set guidelins in the usage agreement.

it's probably why you have been published only a handful of times.

Herb...

Cliftonyte wrote:
I state in my agreement image may be cropped but no other adjustments can be made, unless discussed prior to publishing not sure if this is the satus quo, but I only have been published a handful of times.

TheObiJuan wrote:
It happens all of the time. I have learned to shoot loose since my photo editor will have room to crop as needed. It also helps to have multiple shots of the same subject, facing left/right, vertical/horizontal. This helps with layout and ensures you will get in the publication.


Best advice in this thread. Also, ask the art director about layout requirements before the assignment. They won't always know but sometimes they do.



As for the free thing.. well... I have certainly done it before... and it has paid off in some circumstances and it has also been a huge pain in my ass.

If they say thy will hire you later for a big job if you do some free work.. run like the ******** wind.

HerbChong wrote:
it's probably why you have been published only a handful of times.

Herb...

Cliftonyte wrote:
I state in my agreement image may be cropped but no other adjustments can be made, unless discussed prior to publishing not sure if this is the satus quo, but I only have been published a handful of times.

I hve only submitted my images a handful of times

you won't get many acceptances with that clause. most photo editors will just throw your submissions out even if they want the images. it's their publication, not yours.

Herb...

Cliftonyte wrote:
I hve only submitted my images a handful of times

HerbChong wrote:
you won't get many acceptances with that clause. most photo editors will just throw your submissions out even if they want the images. it's their publication, not yours.

Herb...

Cliftonyte wrote:
I hve only submitted my images a handful of times


Well Mr. Herb, as I am not willing to display my detailed cover letter for each individual submission, what I posted was vague, general, and depending on if it is a photo editor I am established with or making contact for the first time, my cover letter may vary. Your comments show a lack of intelligence and sincerity; furthermore, I was giving a suggestion to the original poster, not you. I think you should try and work on your constructive criticism and your photographic skills instead of barraging me.

suit yourself. i've watched others been there and tossed.

Herb...

i freelance for a local paper (weekly outdoor section) and provide stories and "art".

My editor crops the hell out of some of my shots. He used to run my photos thru some program called "blue monkey" that automatically made color, exposure, sharpness etc corrections.

I told him that I did all the pp so no need.
He said he stop the auto-pp with mine thankfully.

Lessons I've learned: I write and take pics after that the editors/whomever formats it and crops to fit space. My job ends when I push the send key and theirs starts.

I have to get my stuff in 2 or 3 days in advance, but most of the hard core cropping and editing takes place in the mad rush about 10 minutes before deadline.

If I told them how to run their newspaper, crop, print etc they'd sh#tcan me and move down the list to the next underemployed freelancer/photog (and there are about a million of them out there, not counting the ones who'll do it for free.)

SmegHead wrote:
I submitted 6 photos to an online magazine for an article. They were all edited and composed for 4X6 layout. When the article was published they were all cropped to hell, even cutting off some of my models heads... who worked for free to get magazine exposure. I wasn't paid for the shoot (the magazine makes no money right now). I'm just wondering how to handle this. What exactly are my rights if any. I don't want to cause a fuss as I want to continue working with them... I'm just wondering how to get my point across as nicely as possible.

SmegHead, since you posted this in the PRO Digital Corner I assume that you are, or at least have aspirations to become, a photographer who gets paid for his work.

In the situation you describe I would suggest that you make contact with the magazine and let them know your concerns. They may have some concerns of their own, such as more variety in your shot's orientations, aspect ratios, etc. Communication usually helps. As a minimum I think it would be very reasonable for you to say that since you are not currently being paid that you should hold control of your images. The magazine should use them as submitted, alter them only with your approval, or don't use them at all. Combine this with an offer to shoot and submit to their specifications for a reasonable payment. Getting paid even a very small amount is a very big step in the right direction - for both you and the magazine.

If the magazine's intention is to keep getting free photos, and never to pay photographers, you should write it off and move on to the next shoot sadder but wiser.