Hand Held Light Meters
/forum/topic/825681/0

end

trifilmer
Registered: Feb 19, 2009
Total Posts: 69
Country: United States

Who still relies on their hand held light meter when shooting?

I'm thinking of getting one for off the camera flash photography. Opinions?

Thanks



chuborama
Registered: Jun 19, 2008
Total Posts: 73
Country: Japan

Use one all the time when I shoot my Yashica TLR 6x6 cm camera. A Pentax Spot Meter, works a charm. I haven't used it for flash photography, but I don't see why you wouldn't be able to.



shatterkiss
Registered: Sep 30, 2004
Total Posts: 3894
Country: United States

I use my Sekonic L-358 any time I'm shooting more than casual snapshots, whether with strobes or natural light. It's always in my camera bag.



Photodan34
Registered: May 24, 2004
Total Posts: 243
Country: United States

I always use it when using off camera flash. IMO they are a must have. Sidenote: meters (due to accuracy) make post conversions much easier.



cgardner
Registered: Nov 18, 2002
Total Posts: 7928
Country: United States

I've used every type of meter made over the 40 years I've been shooting, starting with the chart on the Kodak film box and my Dad's old Weston V. In the digital age I view a hand held meter as is more of a convenience than a necessity because exposure can be determined quite accurately using just the camera and a test target. I do use a Sekonic L-358 with my studio lights, but mostly for the convenience of being able to fire the lights with the meter via the optional PW transmitter module when "roughing in" the lighting ratio and exposure. I then rely on my eyes and the camera playback for the final determination of ratio based on how the shadow tone matches the context of the subject (age/gender/desired mood) and exposure based on clipping in the highlights, avoiding clipping during capture everywhere except specular reflections in catchlights and jewelry.

With a bit of experience and testing its possible to easily corollate camera feedback with the results in the RAW files. For example one day when doing exposure testing I tossed a white towel into a test scene to use the texture of the towel as a visual measure of overexposure. Because the detail of the towel starts to disappear at the point of overexposure is a better test object than just a white card. Going back and looking at the bracketed series in the camera I found I could accurately predict clipping in the RAW file based on the towel detail when the clipping warning appeared in same areas in the the camera playback. Since then I've relied on the clipping warning and a towel to tell me when highlight exposure is optimal. As is happens the towel clips at the same time as the red channel in skin, which should ideally be about 1/3 below clipping. So as SOP I raise exposure to the point where the towel begins to clip, then back down 1/3 stop. If I want to shoot at f/8 I'll set the camera aperture to f/7.2, raise the lights until I see clipping in the white towel, then stop down to f/8. Since I can remotely control the light intensity from the camera position its actually faster to do it that way than run back and forth with an incident meter. I've done it both ways and use what is most accurate and convenient

For example if setting lights for a white background I'll set up a target where the face will be and adjust the foreground lights and aperture until the brightest highlights are just below clipping. In the setup below the brightest highlight were from the hair light...



This image is copyrighted by the owner




Then I turn on the background lights, bring them up to the point they start to show clipping in the background (to judge evenness) then back them down until the background is dark enough to preserve the contrast of the rim lighting. That flies in the face of conventional wisdom of blowing out the background, but nuking the background really makes no sense perceptually and is just a poor work around for not being able to light one evenly.


This image is copyrighted by the owner




Remove target, insert face, start capturing optimally exposed shots...


This image is copyrighted by the owner




So in the studio the meter is just one of the tools I use. I could live without it, and have when the battery has died, but its more convenient to use it in the studio when initially setting up lights or replicating a previous set-up. When I want to repeat a set-up I'll first set the lights by eye and camera feedback (checked on the computer monitor) THEN measure all the lights individually from where the light hits the subject for my notes. Then next time I can duplicate the same look using the "by the numbers" blueprint. That's the value of a beginner learning to use a meter; they can follow a blueprint for a 2:1, 3:1, 4:1 ratio not having a clue what it should look like, stand back and visualize what is looks like. Its just like a carpenter building a set of plans from a house for the first time. But after building the same house for the 100th time the carpenter relies on the plans less. That's the nature of metering. The more experience you have with your lighting equipment the more you tend to rely on that experience and your eyes than metering everything "by the numbers".

Outside the studio I using ambient light and hot shoe flash I just rely on the camera feedback. I use a pair of Canon 580ex flashes. In ETTL wireless ratio mode exposure and ratio is simply a matter of selecting the A:B ratio needed for the desired tone/detail in the shadows then using the clipping warning and FEC to adjust the exposure as needed. When using the flashes in M mode I use pre-tested combinations of distances. For example if shooting location portraits I put my off camera flash an arm-span from nose to center of diffuser (about 6ft) then take four steps back (to 8ft) to shoot with Master / fill on my flash bracket. Because the distances are consistent, shot-to-shot and session-to-session, the ratio is about 3:1 and the exposure is always the same: f/8 when shooting with both lights at 1/2 power @ ISO 100. Doesn't matter of the person is dressed in white or black or what color their complexion is because the ratio and exposure fits the entire range of tone to the sensor.

FYI: Hand held meters don't work with Canon wireless or Nikon CLS because they use coded pre-flash from the flash head for commands, even in wireless manual mode.

Chuck






BrianO
Registered: Aug 21, 2008
Total Posts: 6299
Country: United States

trifilmer wrote: ...I'm thinking of getting one for off the camera flash photography. Opinions?

I'm thinking of getting one, too. It's just a question of which one. My Weston Master's photocell finally gave of the ghost (they don't last forever), so it's time.

I like being able to measure incident light, versus the camera's reflected-light metering. When using multiple lights, they're a real time saver, and every pro I know uses them.



Micky Bill
Registered: Nov 25, 2006
Total Posts: 1902
Country: N/A

Photodan34 wrote:
I always use it when using off camera flash. IMO they are a must have. Sidenote: meters (due to accuracy) make post conversions much easier.


Please explain what you mean by "make post conversions much easier".



kylegehmlich
Registered: Mar 04, 2008
Total Posts: 235
Country: Canada

Micky Bill wrote:
Photodan34 wrote:
I always use it when using off camera flash. IMO they are a must have. Sidenote: meters (due to accuracy) make post conversions much easier.


Please explain what you mean by "make post conversions much easier".


If I had to guess I'd say he meant batch processing, but I'm curious to know too.



Photodan34
Registered: May 24, 2004
Total Posts: 243
Country: United States

First off I shoot raw, Canon Camera's and use Capture 1 pro as my primary raw converter.

This is just years of experience talking, every time I use my incident light meter it seems the color balance dials in faster and the density of the file is typically spot on. Having the proper density (perfect exposure) just makes the white balance easier. I'm not exactly sure technically why this is, but my guess is the incident meter doesn't care about the lights color, so the color channels are better balanced, where as a reflective meter reading the cameras white balance method seems to adjust for the different color temperatures.

Other observations that I have made, by using the proper lighting pre set, tungsten for tungsten, daylight for daylight, these also makes the color channels more accurate, and I get more accurate exposure.

I'm sure Chuck maybe able to give me the technical reasons for my experienced observations.

Dan

And yes it does make batch processing easier.



Richard Ersted
Registered: Mar 31, 2007
Total Posts: 168
Country: United States

shatterkiss wrote:
I use my Sekonic L-358 any time I'm shooting more than casual snapshots, whether with strobes or natural light. It's always in my camera bag.


+1

The L-358 is always around my neck; I use it often.



k1n3t1k
Registered: May 08, 2006
Total Posts: 952
Country: United States

cgardner/Chuck - vielen Dank! Excellent writeup and tutorial.



Hendrik
Registered: Jul 21, 2002
Total Posts: 3851
Country: Netherlands

I always use a lightmeter in the studio. It's still not possible to measure the flash. Using the histogram in the camera can be helpful, but the ratio's etc are not known.

I recommend to use one.



Stephaniespix
Registered: Jul 17, 2006
Total Posts: 1436
Country: United States

Great info, thanks!



E-Vener
Registered: Jun 18, 2009
Total Posts: 4248
Country: United States

I use mine all ofthe time. use any test chart you like and intrepret a histogram all you like , but that still won't tell you what your light is actually doing, especially when more than one lighting source is involved.

Do I use it for every single photo I make? No, but it is very useful for showing me the dynamic range of a subject and lighting so it is a very useful tool, especially if your work is going to be printed. Offset presses are still pretty much limited to a four stop dynamic range and knowingthat can save time in my image processing and post processing workflow.

I used to use Minolta meters, now I use Sekonics.



cgardner
Registered: Nov 18, 2002
Total Posts: 7928
Country: United States

Hendrik wrote:
I always use a lightmeter in the studio. It's still not possible to measure the flash. Using the histogram in the camera can be helpful, but the ratio's etc are not known.

I recommend to use one.


Use the clipping warning, which shows when and where clipping is occuring, not the histogram which does not have sufficient resolution and does not show where clipping is occuring.

For ratios, use the clipping warning and a white object. If you want one light at f/8 and another at f/5.6 set the camera to f/8, then adjust the first light until just at or below clipping in the white target placed where the subject will be. Turn that light off, the other light on, but set the camera aperture to f/5.6 and adjust power to obtain the same result in the white target. The white exposure target allows the camera meter to function to read the flash. It doesn't read the incident flash, to shows the reflected result of the light. All that matters is the relative brightness between the lights in this case.

A white target can also be used for setting exposure after both lights are turned on. It is actually more accurate than incident metering, once the correlation between the camera LCD image and RAW file are grasped by a simple bracket test, because the incident meter can't take into account variables like lens flare which will affect contrast.

Is that method more convenient than metering? Of course not, but it is a way to set ratios without a meter if you don't have one, or you have one and it breaks or the battery dies.

Being a "pro" means always having a back-up plan in case the equipment breaks

Chuck




Carmen Miranda
Registered: Dec 22, 2006
Total Posts: 1879
Country: United States

cgardner wrote:
Being a "pro" means always having a back-up plan in case the equipment breaks


Does that mean I should have a light meter in case my white towel breaks?



K_Strecker
Registered: Apr 03, 2008
Total Posts: 360
Country: United States

Carmen Miranda wrote:
cgardner wrote:
Being a "pro" means always having a back-up plan in case the equipment breaks


Does that mean I should have a light meter in case my white towel breaks?



Yep, lest your client use it to clean up spilt coffe while you're not looking



cgardner
Registered: Nov 18, 2002
Total Posts: 7928
Country: United States

Carmen Miranda wrote:
cgardner wrote:
Being a "pro" means always having a back-up plan in case the equipment breaks


Does that mean I should have a light meter in case my white towel breaks?


No, just always carry a spare towel. You can buy them by the bag at Costco or Walmart in the tool section.




Matt Leitholt
Registered: May 27, 2008
Total Posts: 3451
Country: United States

I always use my meter when using off camera flash, makes post so much easier!



jonathanwilson
Registered: May 23, 2004
Total Posts: 52
Country: United States

I have an older Broncolor FM that I use while in the studio. Works very accurate.



mrphoto
Registered: Oct 23, 2009
Total Posts: 21
Country: United States

They're obsolete.... I don't use one. I use a color meter, but not a light meter..



Hendrik
Registered: Jul 21, 2002
Total Posts: 3851
Country: Netherlands

mrphoto wrote:
They're obsolete.... I don't use one. I use a color meter, but not a light meter..


Well, maybe you should use RAW format.



end