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trifilmer Registered: Feb 19, 2009 Total Posts: 69 Country: United States |
Who still relies on their hand held light meter when shooting? |
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chuborama Registered: Jun 19, 2008 Total Posts: 73 Country: Japan |
Use one all the time when I shoot my Yashica TLR 6x6 cm camera. A Pentax Spot Meter, works a charm. I haven't used it for flash photography, but I don't see why you wouldn't be able to. |
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shatterkiss Registered: Sep 30, 2004 Total Posts: 3894 Country: United States |
I use my Sekonic L-358 any time I'm shooting more than casual snapshots, whether with strobes or natural light. It's always in my camera bag. |
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Photodan34 Registered: May 24, 2004 Total Posts: 243 Country: United States |
I always use it when using off camera flash. IMO they are a must have. Sidenote: meters (due to accuracy) make post conversions much easier. |
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cgardner Registered: Nov 18, 2002 Total Posts: 7928 Country: United States |
I've used every type of meter made over the 40 years I've been shooting, starting with the chart on the Kodak film box and my Dad's old Weston V. In the digital age I view a hand held meter as is more of a convenience than a necessity because exposure can be determined quite accurately using just the camera and a test target. I do use a Sekonic L-358 with my studio lights, but mostly for the convenience of being able to fire the lights with the meter via the optional PW transmitter module when "roughing in" the lighting ratio and exposure. I then rely on my eyes and the camera playback for the final determination of ratio based on how the shadow tone matches the context of the subject (age/gender/desired mood) and exposure based on clipping in the highlights, avoiding clipping during capture everywhere except specular reflections in catchlights and jewelry. ![]() Then I turn on the background lights, bring them up to the point they start to show clipping in the background (to judge evenness) then back them down until the background is dark enough to preserve the contrast of the rim lighting. That flies in the face of conventional wisdom of blowing out the background, but nuking the background really makes no sense perceptually and is just a poor work around for not being able to light one evenly. ![]() Remove target, insert face, start capturing optimally exposed shots... ![]() So in the studio the meter is just one of the tools I use. I could live without it, and have when the battery has died, but its more convenient to use it in the studio when initially setting up lights or replicating a previous set-up. When I want to repeat a set-up I'll first set the lights by eye and camera feedback (checked on the computer monitor) THEN measure all the lights individually from where the light hits the subject for my notes. Then next time I can duplicate the same look using the "by the numbers" blueprint. That's the value of a beginner learning to use a meter; they can follow a blueprint for a 2:1, 3:1, 4:1 ratio not having a clue what it should look like, stand back and visualize what is looks like. Its just like a carpenter building a set of plans from a house for the first time. But after building the same house for the 100th time the carpenter relies on the plans less. That's the nature of metering. The more experience you have with your lighting equipment the more you tend to rely on that experience and your eyes than metering everything "by the numbers". Outside the studio I using ambient light and hot shoe flash I just rely on the camera feedback. I use a pair of Canon 580ex flashes. In ETTL wireless ratio mode exposure and ratio is simply a matter of selecting the A:B ratio needed for the desired tone/detail in the shadows then using the clipping warning and FEC to adjust the exposure as needed. When using the flashes in M mode I use pre-tested combinations of distances. For example if shooting location portraits I put my off camera flash an arm-span from nose to center of diffuser (about 6ft) then take four steps back (to 8ft) to shoot with Master / fill on my flash bracket. Because the distances are consistent, shot-to-shot and session-to-session, the ratio is about 3:1 and the exposure is always the same: f/8 when shooting with both lights at 1/2 power @ ISO 100. Doesn't matter of the person is dressed in white or black or what color their complexion is because the ratio and exposure fits the entire range of tone to the sensor. FYI: Hand held meters don't work with Canon wireless or Nikon CLS because they use coded pre-flash from the flash head for commands, even in wireless manual mode. Chuck |
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BrianO Registered: Aug 21, 2008 Total Posts: 6299 Country: United States |
trifilmer wrote: ...I'm thinking of getting one for off the camera flash photography. Opinions? |
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Micky Bill Registered: Nov 25, 2006 Total Posts: 1902 Country: N/A |
Photodan34 wrote: |
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kylegehmlich Registered: Mar 04, 2008 Total Posts: 235 Country: Canada |
Micky Bill wrote: |
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Photodan34 Registered: May 24, 2004 Total Posts: 243 Country: United States |
First off I shoot raw, Canon Camera's and use Capture 1 pro as my primary raw converter. |
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Richard Ersted Registered: Mar 31, 2007 Total Posts: 168 Country: United States |
shatterkiss wrote: |
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k1n3t1k Registered: May 08, 2006 Total Posts: 952 Country: United States |
cgardner/Chuck - vielen Dank! Excellent writeup and tutorial. |
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Hendrik Registered: Jul 21, 2002 Total Posts: 3851 Country: Netherlands |
I always use a lightmeter in the studio. It's still not possible to measure the flash. Using the histogram in the camera can be helpful, but the ratio's etc are not known. |
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Stephaniespix Registered: Jul 17, 2006 Total Posts: 1436 Country: United States |
Great info, thanks! |
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E-Vener Registered: Jun 18, 2009 Total Posts: 4248 Country: United States |
I use mine all ofthe time. use any test chart you like and intrepret a histogram all you like , but that still won't tell you what your light is actually doing, especially when more than one lighting source is involved. |
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cgardner Registered: Nov 18, 2002 Total Posts: 7928 Country: United States |
Hendrik wrote: |
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Carmen Miranda Registered: Dec 22, 2006 Total Posts: 1879 Country: United States |
cgardner wrote: |
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K_Strecker Registered: Apr 03, 2008 Total Posts: 360 Country: United States |
Carmen Miranda wrote: |
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cgardner Registered: Nov 18, 2002 Total Posts: 7928 Country: United States |
Carmen Miranda wrote: |
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Matt Leitholt Registered: May 27, 2008 Total Posts: 3451 Country: United States |
I always use my meter when using off camera flash, makes post so much easier! |
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jonathanwilson Registered: May 23, 2004 Total Posts: 52 Country: United States |
I have an older Broncolor FM that I use while in the studio. Works very accurate. |
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mrphoto Registered: Oct 23, 2009 Total Posts: 21 Country: United States |
They're obsolete.... I don't use one. I use a color meter, but not a light meter.. |