Does Nikon have any thing to compete with 18MP, 8fps, sealed and $1800.00?

If I remember it was the spec for 1DsII, a $8000 cam.

Your question may be regarded as flame bait.
In any case, wait until next fall in 2010, surely there will be.

The D300s would be it's closest competition.
They are never going to have to equally speced cams. D300s offers somethings 7D doesn't and vice versa.

But yes, I do smell excellerant in this thread.

rsg_1 wrote:
Your question may be regarded as flame bait.
In any case, wait until next fall in 2010, surely there will be.


flame bait, why? I used to shoot Canon and I now shoot Nikon but still appreciate quite a few features of Canon. I just want competition. Fall 2010? by that time Canon will talk next generation!

I do believe nugeny, that you would be well-served by jumping ship to Canon. Buy the 7D. Unload your Nikon gear. Do it man, you know you want to....

Avi B wrote:
I do believe nugeny, that you would be well-served by jumping ship to Canon. Buy the 7D. Unload your Nikon gear. Do it man, you know you want to....

What kind of question is this? Are you looking for us to say something reassuring? Those of us who know the future are sworn to keep quiet (NDA)
Are you looking for a treatise about values and the definition of "better" and "best" and perhaps "silly"?

Nice pictures on your site btw ... why would you care for some improvement in equipment? What is lacking do you feel, in you images that equipment might fix?

nugeny wrote:
Does Nikon have any thing to compete with 18MP, 8fps, sealed and $1800.00?

If I remember it was the spec for 1DsII, a $8000 cam.

They do, its the D300s. The 7d is a response to the D300/s, adding features that existed in the D300 a couple of years ago and adding video and upping the pixel count.

Canon introduced the 7D as a direct competitor to the D300(s).

The 7D is actually quite unique for Canon in a sense that it is positioned between the xxD and 1D series. Up til now Canon's marketing strategy was dictated by a strict segmentation of the consumer and professional markets. Canon users should thank Nikon for challenging Canon to let go of this stupid arrogant segmented strategy. The D300(s) made room for the 7D

But unfortunately Canon is still playing a catch up game. Many of the "new" (as in new for Canon users) features have been implemented in Nikon DSLR's for some years now.

Still, as a Canon user I welcome the 7D. Because Canon showed that they are willing to let go of their sinful ways (under pressure of course). Plus it seems to have nice IQ for a 18MP crop cam too

I still have yet to see anything that shows this new Canon autofocus system can match that of the D300. I thought the 50D was supposed to have some great autofocus with a bunch of sweet cross type sensors but I still don't see it on the sidelines taking photos.

So far I've only seen RG test it and comment on it, and we all know how well that went for the new 7D.

Last I checked, the 1DsII was full-frame, the 7D is a noisy (from the samples seen online) APS-C sensor.

gman1339 wrote:
I still have yet to see anything that shows this new Canon autofocus system can match that of the D300. I thought the 50D was supposed to have some great autofocus with a bunch of sweet cross type sensors but I still don't see it on the sidelines taking photos.

So far I've only seen RG test it and comment on it, and we all know how well that went for the new 7D.
Uhm, that's because it's not available yet? But by specs alone this new AF is better than the D300 already, because it has more cross type AF sensors.
The AF of the 40D and 50D are both faster/more accurate than the D300 though in real use. And the 7D is cleaner at high ISO's than any crop cameras from Nikon, or any other brand.
I've yet to see anybody D300 on the sidelines taking photos either.

To answer the OP, the D300s is the closest rival to the 7D, but it lags in several areas, such as resolution, cross type AF points, FPS, Liveview, and relatively low res movie mode.

musclepics wroteUhm, that's because it's not available yet? But by specs alone this new AF is better than the D300 already, because it has more cross type AF sensors.
The AF of the 40D and 50D are both faster/more accurate than the D300 though in real use. And the 7D is cleaner at high ISO's than any crop cameras from Nikon, or any other brand.
I've yet to see anybody D300 on the sidelines taking photos either.



Haha, what?

musclepics wrote:
gman1339 wrote:
I still have yet to see anything that shows this new Canon autofocus system can match that of the D300. I thought the 50D was supposed to have some great autofocus with a bunch of sweet cross type sensors but I still don't see it on the sidelines taking photos.

So far I've only seen RG test it and comment on it, and we all know how well that went for the new 7D.
Uhm, that's because it's not available yet? But by specs alone this new AF is better than the D300 already, because it has more cross type AF sensors.
The AF of the 40D and 50D are both faster/more accurate than the D300 though in real use. And the 7D is cleaner at high ISO's than any crop cameras from Nikon, or any other brand.
I've yet to see anybody D300 on the sidelines taking photos either.

To answer the OP, the D300s is the closest rival to the 7D, but it lags in several areas, such as resolution, cross type AF points, FPS, Liveview, and relatively low res movie mode.


Good ol' Drisley! Where've you been man? Still trolling the Nikon forums. You make it an art man. Kudos!!!

ryan stewart wrote:
musclepics wroteUhm, that's because it's not available yet? But by specs alone this new AF is better than the D300 already, because it has more cross type AF sensors.
The AF of the 40D and 50D are both faster/more accurate than the D300 though in real use. And the 7D is cleaner at high ISO's than any crop cameras from Nikon, or any other brand.
I've yet to see anybody D300 on the sidelines taking photos either.



Haha, what?


Exactly

musclepics wrote:
[Uhm, that's because it's not available yet? But by specs alone this new AF is better than the D300 already, because it has more cross type AF sensors.
The AF of the 40D and 50D are both faster/more accurate than the D300 though in real use. And the 7D is cleaner at high ISO's than any crop cameras from Nikon, or any other brand.
I've yet to see anybody D300 on the sidelines taking photos either.

To answer the OP, the D300s is the closest rival to the 7D, but it lags in several areas, such as resolution, cross type AF points, FPS, Liveview, and relatively low res movie mode.



My D2H has 9 cross type sensors just like the 40D and 50D. Are you saying that the 40D and 50D can autofocus as well as my D2H?

just sell all your nikon gear and buy your 7D...believe me, its the in-thing to do!!

nugeny wrote:
Does Nikon have any thing to compete with 18MP, 8fps, sealed and $1800.00?

If I remember it was the spec for 1DsII, a $8000 cam.


Nope, Nikon has once again fallen to Canon -- maybe for the final time. Honestly it was hard to even go to work the morning after the 7D was announced. I was sitting on the subway looking shamefully at strangers' faces, all the while I knew deep inside me that at home I had the shame of the photography world... a Nikon.

As I walked through midtown Manhattan and saw all the tourists with D40's and D80's I wanted to scream out loud and rip my clothes to shreds. My GOD, they were using obsolete cameras! Why did they even bother coming to the Big Apple, for goodness sake their photos will be worthless. It took unholy strength to keep to smacking their cameras out of their hands for their viewfinders had *less* than 100% coverage!

I'm glad I don't have children yet. After all, how could a responsible human being have progeny knowing that in this world we have to face the disgusting embarrassment that is the Nikon lineup? It's truly indefensible. I lose memory cards after every day I take pictures because I stare at the results in dismay and then fling the card against a brick wall -- the very same brick wall that all Canon bodies can perfectly photograph.

How could you Nikon? Such utter failure. I swear monkeys are working at that company. If they don't respond to the Canon 7D then frankly IT'S ALL OVER. I really can't take it anymore. I'm going to charge up my Canon SD700 and use that from now on. Canon, why must you be so awesome?? There is nothing more than can be said.

nugeny wrote:
Does Nikon have any thing to compete with 18MP, 8fps, sealed and $1800.00?

If I remember it was the spec for 1DsII, a $8000 cam.


While asked politely, posting this question in a new thread with this title on the nikon board is rather trollish. There is already a long thread on the 7D and your question should have been asked there.

This is the NIKON forum, not the Canon forum. Questions regarding the Canon 7D belong on the Canon board.

nugeny wrote:
Does Nikon have any thing to compete with 18MP, 8fps, sealed and $1800.00?

If I remember it was the spec for 1DsII, a $8000 cam.

Also remember the 1DsII was announced at the end of 2005, it's now 4 years later. It has 49 autofocus points is built like brick #$%@ house, many of them are still in professional service. The march of technology is something. I'd still take a 1DsII over a 7D if I were shooting Canon.

as a canon shooter, I have to say, "Thank God for Nikon". Were it not for Nikon finally becoming a serious player in the DSLR arena, we'd never have the 7D.

I think it's mainly because of Nikon, that Canon is begining to listen to us, and is giving us what WE want, instead of giving us what THEY want us to have.

My next hope is for a 3D......FF, rast frame rate, maybe 8fps,16meg, compact body.....dreaming, yeah, but now, with Nikon's help...........maybe the dream's a little closer to reality

Harvey

Have I accidentally walked into a dpreview forum? Now where was that exit.

As more tocks tick off the clock, Nikon is getting closer to saying "checkmate" to Canon.

Sorry, but I am not understanding the excitement, unless it is an excitable frustration of sorts. The tests available on the 7D show ISO 1600 full of noise, and forget ISO 3200. And, there are focusing issues that prevent the camera from using what is advertised. And, the magic IS system is not on the body as many think, but integral to the lens, and only the 100mm macro that is not availabel yet.

But there is more, Canon provided the testers with beta camera units containing software and hardware that will not be in production because it is not good enough. So, the tests were completed with faulty equipment.

The Nikon D300 was not raped to create the 7D, it still retains its 3D focusing, 1005 RGB exposure, and other features, even tho many others were cloned. Although the unit that may have been dissected for designs and asolutions has been garbaged its family remains.

Nikon not only set the pace but virtually guarantees that their pro cameras can bring the shot home.

That is big time.

Sorry for this Canon minute, but Nikons seem to be getting Canon envy for no sane reason I can see.

The 1DSMk I and II series is a bit dated don't you know? And the MK III series is only used with twinkle toes and holding ones breath that the system will work when the shot counts.

If Nikon lowered the price of the D3 with mass consumption in mind then the world would change.

Joe

it's actually $1699