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Jonesy Registered: Jan 30, 2005 Total Posts: 2533 Country: United States |
I had a Senior Session last night and the boy's mother brought a letter to me that all seniors had received from the school. And on back of the letter was a letter to the Parents and Seniors from my competitor. Without typing the whole letter I will tell you what it said in a nutshell.... |
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shatterkiss Registered: Sep 30, 2004 Total Posts: 3894 Country: United States |
I don't know the first thing about yearbook or senior photography, but in general when you see an exclusivity arrangement it usually means that the group providing the captive consumer market is getting some kind of kickback from the vendor...whether it's a percentage of bookings, a one-time license fee, a discount on other services or something else. Otherwise someone's got friends in high places or there was an RFQ that you weren't a part of. Those are the likely situations in most business, at least. |
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Jonesy Registered: Jan 30, 2005 Total Posts: 2533 Country: United States |
Well the only thing that I can see is that they offered the school is a free composite for the hallway. But of course it will have the competitors name all over it. Which is totally fine..I understand what they are doing but what I don't agree with is a yearbook advisor making a deal in which seniors are required to use the one and only senior photographer for the yearbook. |
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butchM Registered: Mar 12, 2004 Total Posts: 5074 Country: United States |
Unfortunately this happens quite often .... some schools have been doing this for quite some time ... the vendor is very likely giving a monetary kickback to the yearbook which is probably very welcome as the productions costs are quite high. |
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jjlphoto Registered: Jan 03, 2005 Total Posts: 7156 Country: United States |
Happens all the time. The large chain studio makes their money in selling 'print packages' to the students. To get the exclusive to shoot on site, they offer the school a percentage ($$) of the packages ordered. The more 'exclusive' the agreement (IOW, other photogs getting locked out of the publication), the higher the percentage the school receives. The large chain studios call it a donation, but in reality it is a kickback. Since those types of portrait companies cater only to the non-profit sector, IE schools, churches, etc, they come away looking like good guys to the schools. But it erodes business from the local studios. In my area, many studios now have reduced hours, or closed up as that market has soured due to this |
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mdude85 Registered: Apr 12, 2004 Total Posts: 4257 Country: United States |
I was photography editor for my college yearbook and I worked very closely with another editor who was in charge of the portraits section. I must say that this practice is very common. In fact, using multiple photographers is uncommon. If you are out of town on the day of the shoot, too bad. Do you expect the company to come back on a date that accomodates one student's vacation schedule? You already know the answer to that question. |
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mill4570 Registered: Jul 27, 2005 Total Posts: 936 Country: United States |
I see this all the time. The yearbook advisor did not make this deal. Most likely the school board or the principle set this up. The contracted photographer will offer proofs and picture packages plus some "casual" poses at the same time. Only his pictures can appear in the yearbook "class section". As a parent, you are not required to buy anything, just make sure your child is there on picture day. |
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jjlphoto Registered: Jan 03, 2005 Total Posts: 7156 Country: United States |
mdude85 wrote:As for "kickbacks", I am not quite sure, but certainly there are discounts. |
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mdude85 Registered: Apr 12, 2004 Total Posts: 4257 Country: United States |
jjlphoto wrote: |
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Nathan Whitchu Registered: Jan 03, 2007 Total Posts: 665 Country: United States |
I know that in New York it is illegal to force a student to use a particular photographer or exclude them from the yearbook based solely on who photographed them. It is NOT however illegal to force a certain set of standards on the photo such as requiring a tuxedo, certain backgrounds, poses etc... |
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Jonesy Registered: Jan 30, 2005 Total Posts: 2533 Country: United States |
Where do you find if that's a law where you live or not? |
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mdude85 Registered: Apr 12, 2004 Total Posts: 4257 Country: United States |
You would have to check the proceedings from the Counsel Office which is the office that provides legal counsel to the school district. I think nathan is referring to a decision that is not per se 'illegal' and is also for public schools specifically. It said that student should not feel compelled to accept only one photography studio for year book portraits. |
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Craig Gillette Registered: Feb 15, 2005 Total Posts: 3190 Country: United States |
A "kickback" is illegal. Being non-competitive with the big guys is a fact of life for some businesses. |
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JDeV Registered: Jan 27, 2006 Total Posts: 1243 Country: United States |
I read about this situation last year, and I remember that it's illegal in certain states. There were complaints from parents as well as photographers. the challenge as I remember it pertained to public schools, and parents being taxpayers complained. I don't know where you'd go to check. My son brought his yearbook home a few weeks ago, and you could see that different photographers shot the seniors. The ironic one was the girl who was voted "most attractive"( and she was beautiful)...she was a bright orange in her picture |
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butchM Registered: Mar 12, 2004 Total Posts: 5074 Country: United States |
Craig Gillette wrote: |
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leewoolery Registered: Feb 27, 2005 Total Posts: 1105 Country: United States |
My name is on one of those despised, exclusive photo contracts with a good-size high school and junior high school that requires ALL seniors must have their photos done by my studio in order to be in the yearbook and on the senior slide show. |
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dmacmillan Registered: Nov 03, 2007 Total Posts: 2998 Country: United States |
mill4570 wrote: |
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jefferies1 Registered: Jul 03, 2008 Total Posts: 1877 Country: United States |
IOn my area schools all contract with one place for yearbook images. They just try to see prints to pay for the shoot and of course they sell a lot. Guess it is easy for the school to have everyting handed to them finished and ready to prict by the contracted photographer. All having the same look etc. |
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bobmiller Registered: Mar 24, 2005 Total Posts: 482 Country: United States |
Do YOU want the exclusive contract for seniors? Be ready to shoot and provide digital cropped images of, but not limited to: |
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teebat Registered: Jun 17, 2005 Total Posts: 534 Country: United States |
We have seen and increase in Seniors photography/sales in our area because of the practices of the company contracted by the local schools. |
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dalite Registered: Aug 13, 2005 Total Posts: 2326 Country: United States |
Reminds me of our church's yearly directory where a certain commercial studio that does this sort of work comes every year and takes photos of parishioners, all by appointment on set days. They make money off the package they try to sell you. If you don't want to purchase anything, you still get a 8 x 10 color portrait for free. Does the church get any kickback? heaven forbid (no pun intended) |
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mill4570 Registered: Jul 27, 2005 Total Posts: 936 Country: United States |
dmacmillan wrote: |
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NinaS Registered: Nov 14, 2005 Total Posts: 1206 Country: United States |
I've had a few yearbook advisors contact me, about being their school's "exclusive" photographer. They want $$ up front from me, I offer percentage of sales instead ... their main reason for wanting one photographer/studio is consistancy in the yearbook images. They require me to shoot every senior for free (for their yearbook image), and I hope that a percentage of them will also have me do their senior pictures, as those are different than the yearbook image |
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TTLKurtis Registered: Jan 31, 2006 Total Posts: 7036 Country: United States |
How profitable is this market, anyways? Seems like an awful lot of hoops to jump through, and I don't like being anybody's puppet.. |