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weddingypp Registered: Apr 26, 2009 Total Posts: 18 Country: Israel |
Hey,its my first time here. |
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jwp721 Registered: Mar 26, 2007 Total Posts: 73 Country: United States |
Glad you had fun. |
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bacilonur Registered: Aug 14, 2006 Total Posts: 2215 Country: United States |
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but the irony of spending $400+ on a 580 and then hooking it up to something like that is just a little overwhelming. I don't know what sort of stores are available in Israel or if you can order from B&H easily, but $60 is all it takes to buy the real thing: (flash speedring is included) http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/90032-REG/Morris_32600_Soft_Box_15x18_.html |
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pr4photos Registered: Sep 17, 2008 Total Posts: 157 Country: United Kingdom |
have to echo bacilonur. maybe it does the job, but it sure don't look good |
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turnert Registered: May 19, 2004 Total Posts: 2774 Country: United States |
If I look at it from just a time expenditure perspective, constructing that softbox would have cost me more than buying a real one. |
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Roger Whitehead Registered: Aug 12, 2002 Total Posts: 5242 Country: United States |
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bacilonur Registered: Aug 14, 2006 Total Posts: 2215 Country: United States |
It's not bashing, it's being realistic. He'd be better off with an umbrella adapter and a reversible umbrella. Hotshoe flashes aren't designed to be put in a softbox the way a barebulb strobe is. Without a diffuser on the flash or at least a couple diffusion panels inside the SB, the light quality will look more like a set of barn doors than an SB. |
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jwp721 Registered: Mar 26, 2007 Total Posts: 73 Country: United States |
If the OP had fun and learned a little something along the way, it was not a bad project. |
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weddingypp Registered: Apr 26, 2009 Total Posts: 18 Country: Israel |
Thanks for the responds,although I didn't think you'll so tough with me. |
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cgardner Registered: Nov 18, 2002 Total Posts: 5570 Country: United States |
DYI is a good way to learn the cause and effect of how flash and diffusion work. Size of the modifier and the distance it is used from the subject are variables which affect how parallel the rays of light hitting the object and creating the shadows are: the more parallel the light rays from the source, the more distinct the shadows it creates will be. ![]() Because I used two flashes in a key / fill configuration the top of the diffusers extends over and covers the vertically oriented flash head. Instead of just blasting the lens focused light through a layer of diffusion to change its direction the design changes the reflective angle of the light: two different means to the same end. But what I found with experimentation is that the reflective angle approach diffuses the light more than a similarly size softbox would. So instead of moving around with a cumbersome SB on camera or stand I get similar diffusion from a reflector-diffusers which weighs a few once and folds flat for storage. By orienting the flash head vertically I can position the slave anywhere without blocking its sensor, which on Canon flashes is on the front over the red AF assist lamp (which has no role in the wireless control). The signaling is done via visible pre-flashes from the Master on the flash bracket and the identical diffuser on it spreads the light on a wider arc than the bare flash head zoomed to 24mm so I rarely have any signaling problems and haven't found the need to use radio triggers. On occasions where I find I need more diffusion over a wider area on the key light than the foam diffusers provide I use an umbrella on the key light (which is mounted on a generic light stand umbrella bracket). Its one of a million possible modification options, but the one I've found to be most convenient and compatible with the way the Canon flash system is designed to work. Chuck |
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jvarszegi Registered: Jun 05, 2005 Total Posts: 3840 Country: N/A |
I really think Chuck Gardner's design is obviously the best for situations where no bounce is possible, and you want a single shoe-mountable light source. It has larger light-emitting surface area than most competitors, is cheap, and doesn't weight much. You could technically get a bigger softbox, but you could just as easily make an even bigger foam area and angle it correctly to spread the light. It doesn't waste light throwing it in directions where you can't get a secondary bounce, like Omnibounces, Fong tupperware etc. does. One should still be able to gel the flash to good effect. I think I'm going to make one soon! |
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cgardner Registered: Nov 18, 2002 Total Posts: 5570 Country: United States |
FWIW - the top flap of my DIY design is adjustable so all the light can be directed forward when down all the way or partially or fully open for a combination of ceiling bounce and direct. ![]() For this shot at my church I had my slave 580ex with diffuser up on the stage, just out of frame on the left with Master / fill on the camera bracket with diffuser. ![]() I wanted to minimize the fill of the foreground figure so I flipped open the top flap, zoomed the flash on the bracket to the max 105mm position and tilted the head slightly forward so the master / fill light was aimed at the ceiling about 20ft in front of me. It was shot in ETTL ratio mode. No problem with signaling because the sensor on the slave wasn't blocked by the modifier. Here's a typical portrait shot of the type I do with the 580ex and diffusers. ![]() I put both flashes in M mode at 1/2 power. The off camera light is placed an arm span (5-1/2 ft.) from center of diffuser to subject's nose then I step back to 8ft to shoot. The difference in light distance makes the off camera flash 2x brighter. Since it overlaps the fill that produces a 3:1 highlight/shadow ratio (2k+1f: 1f). The white towel is my exposure guide, but with this set up since the power and light distances are always the same so is the exposure: f/8 at ISO100. I shot over 300 head shots for a church directory with that set-up and the results were very consistent. Because the flashes don't react to scene reflectance the color of clothing or complexion doesn't affect exposure. ![]() ![]() This final example shows how the diffusers compare to studio lights. When friends dropped by after a day of sightseeing I grabbed the camera and took some shots of their kids. The camera was on the bracket so I did the boy with the 580ex flashes and diffusers, but then decided to set up the ABs to shot the others. ![]() The light from the larger studio flash diffusers is more diffuse, but the only place there is a significant noticeable difference is under the chin where fact the 580ex fill was up on the bracket created more of a shaded fill situation. As I mentioned earlier, flattering a face in a photo is more about finding a well balanced camera angle and placing the key light in a way which models the face naturally. Making the lighting look soft or hard is a matter of dialing in more or less fill flash. Chuck |
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weddingypp Registered: Apr 26, 2009 Total Posts: 18 Country: Israel |
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cordellwillis Registered: Aug 24, 2004 Total Posts: 2967 Country: United States |
bacilonur wrote: |
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weddingypp Registered: Apr 26, 2009 Total Posts: 18 Country: Israel |
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Tom K. Registered: Mar 21, 2005 Total Posts: 3732 Country: United States |
weddingypp you're in good company. Edison was roundly criticized for years. He did pretty well for himself. Keep Rocking that DIY!!! |
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jerrykur Registered: Feb 15, 2005 Total Posts: 2162 Country: United States |
I am trying to figure out how this works to soften the light. There does not appear to be any fabric between the flash and subject. If that is the case this is more of a gobo than a softbox. |
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shatterkiss Registered: Sep 30, 2004 Total Posts: 3719 Country: United States |
cordellwillis wrote: |
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cordellwillis Registered: Aug 24, 2004 Total Posts: 2967 Country: United States |
shatterkiss wrote: |
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shatterkiss Registered: Sep 30, 2004 Total Posts: 3719 Country: United States |
cordellwillis wrote: |
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bacilonur Registered: Aug 14, 2006 Total Posts: 2215 Country: United States |
There's a huge difference between using gaffers tape, cinefoil, bungies, or Home Depot clamps to supplement professional gear and hacking together your own rubbish "beauty dish" or SB or SB grids. All it will take is one person to trip over your stand for you to see how poorly your two hours of DIY work will hold up. When that SB crumples and tears instead of just flexing and bouncing back like a normal SB would, you'll wish you'd done the right thing from the start and bought that $100 SB or BD instead of wasting your time on crap that doesn't even work right. |
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PShizzy Registered: Mar 07, 2004 Total Posts: 5528 Country: United States |
Cordell, it's a sad but true thing that people are too often caught up in perception. If you want to get business you have to manage that by being able to look impressive. If you want to stay in business, you also need to be impressive. |
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weddingypp Registered: Apr 26, 2009 Total Posts: 18 Country: Israel |
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digitaled Registered: Feb 06, 2003 Total Posts: 201 Country: United States |
Just buy a $24 lumaquest mini softbox.
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