Monopod or Non-monopod that is the question.
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canonrick1
Registered: May 28, 2009
Total Posts: 126
Country: United States

Looking for tips, experience shooting 70-200mm 2.8. Should you use a monopod or sans, or do you like it for specific sports, shots? Do a lot of LL BBall, Football etc. Also going to add 1.4x teleconverter in the near future. Shoot Canon 50D.

Thanks



clarence3
Registered: Sep 28, 2008
Total Posts: 1850
Country: United States

You can certainly shoot without a monopod, but for football and lacrosse I definitely prefer and recommend a monopod with the 70-200 or 100-400. I prefer to kneel or sit on the ground to get low. The monopod is almost completely collapsed... only extended enough to bring it up to my eye level. Loosen the tripod ring so you can pivot between landscape and portrait mode.

If you have the IS version, turn IS off if your shutterspeeds are faster than ~1/500".



meignacio
Registered: Aug 02, 2005
Total Posts: 129
Country: United States

I never use a monopod with my 70-200... but then again I usually have my D3/400mm on the monopod.

If I'm shooting exclusively with the 70-200 (when I want to shoot light) I like the flexibility of being able to go from landscape to portrait mode fast and I find I can pan with the action much faster. And a monopod just adds more unnecessary weight.



Caleb Williams
Registered: Dec 05, 2006
Total Posts: 2214
Country: United States

meignacio wrote:
If I'm shooting exclusively with the 70-200 (when I want to shoot light) I like the flexibility of being able to go from landscape to portrait mode fast and I find I can pan with the action much faster. And a monopod just adds more unnecessary weight.


I've shot using both a monopod and without a monopod and i find it inconvenient for any thing lighter than a 300 f/2.8.

For baseball and football I find it much easier to follow the action without a monopod, as meignacio says.

However, especially during the (college) football season, I see a lot of whom I'll just call amateurs (for the most part) who shoot with monopods on their 70-200 (+/- TC). I'm not saying that only amateurs do it, but I've never seen any real pros do it. Then again, most pros are used to shooting two or three bodies and keep their monopod attached to a 300/400mm lens.

For me, I can pretty easily shoot a 300 2.8 IS handheld (not for a super long time though), but you may not be as easily able to.

It also depends on whether or not you are standing or sitting. If I am sitting I use my knee and elbow as a natural support system (similar to holding a rifle: see this link http://www.hunter-ed.com/sc/course/ch3_shooting_positions.htm for an example of what I mean). Standing can be harder to hold for long times and if there is a break in the action I would recommend dropping the camera to a more comfortable position and rest a bit for the next peak in the action.

Hope this helps,

- Caleb



kiz5
Registered: Jan 19, 2008
Total Posts: 690
Country: Canada

A 70-200 on a monopod holds you back in sports, a lot more than the help a monopod gives you.



kiwifamily
Registered: Mar 17, 2008
Total Posts: 806
Country: Australia

Only use it if physically you cant handhold for any length of time



canonet
Registered: Aug 10, 2005
Total Posts: 1065
Country: United States

I have a Canon 300/4L IS lens and use it for baseball , soccer, and football and using a monopod becomes a hassle. I ony use it with heavier lenses I cannot hold for a long time.



pappawheely
Registered: Feb 20, 2005
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Country: United States

I shoot motorsports. You spend a lot of time following the cars. I shoot the 70-200 and the 100-400. Sometimes after a long day without a rest your arms do get tired but I shoot hand held. The mono pod just gets in the way. Eat your Wheaties.



TrojanHorse
Registered: Apr 04, 2008
Total Posts: 2604
Country: United States

I don't have any long 2.8 lenses because I'm a cheap ba*&*rd but I do like using a monopod with the 300 f4 for certain sports. Baseball yes, for batting pictures, not so much if I'm trying to get fielding pictures. Soccer yes but only if I'm in the mood to deal with it, otherwise I usually just sit on the ground with my 300 on the camera and my 70-200 in my lap and switch as needed. I don't have a second digital body (see first line for explanation). Swimming, never.

I have a RRS bracket and clamp, so it's pretty easy to dump the monopod when I don't want it on anymore.



John Reynolds
Registered: May 31, 2005
Total Posts: 666
Country: United States

I see you're planning on using this for LL BB and football. Especially for the younger kids, you need to get low. Monopod makes that more difficult. Unless you're having back/arm issues I would not use it with that lens.



John Thawley
Registered: Sep 20, 2003
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Country: United States

pappawheely wrote:The mono pod just gets in the way.



Joe Winn
Registered: Jun 14, 2007
Total Posts: 578
Country: United States

I'm gonna go against the grain here and say "yes" under certain circumstances.

First off, a more stable platform will get you sharper shots. This is fact. A stable platform will also help you get straighter shots. But it cuts mobility.

I use the monopod with my MkII and 70-200 2.8 when I am doing a tournament where I am shooting ALL day straight. Handholding for 10 hours in the hot sun is not an option.

More often than not I am using the 300 2.8 on the 'pod and the 70-200 on my R-Strap at my side.

If you shoot for long periods of time then the 'pod is the way to go. If you only shoot for a few hours or less at a time then handhold will be more flexible. Just perfect your technique for holding still and keeping your horizons straight. This will help you in PP.



photolew
Registered: Nov 14, 2002
Total Posts: 57
Country: United States

I think its what you get used to. I've always used a monopod and frankly don't feel comfortable without it....it just feels funny.

Im sure if you have been used to hand holding a monopod would feel "funny"....

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer here...its a matter of what works for you.



butchM
Registered: Mar 12, 2004
Total Posts: 5074
Country: United States

Anything longer or heavier than an 70-200 2.8 goes on a monopod. Especially on a crop body ... just too much for an 8-10 day not to have a little assistance with glass that heavy.



h_2_o
Registered: Mar 09, 2008
Total Posts: 281
Country: United States

IMHO a monopod never hurts using it. that being said if i do not need to use one for a situation i wont. However there are instances where it allows me to not have to adjust ISO that extra bit and get a little less grain in images. but like i said if i do not have to use one i wont.



WalnutPond
Registered: Jan 10, 2009
Total Posts: 526
Country: United States

The 70-200 is a lightweight lens - shot it for years and never once felt need for a monopod.

Only when I went to the 300/2.8 did I get a monopod.



BlueReptile
Registered: Sep 18, 2004
Total Posts: 876
Country: United States

My left arm would fall off if I shot 1000 gymnasts over a weekend without a monopod...



BSimonseth
Registered: Feb 05, 2006
Total Posts: 358
Country: United States

I also shot motor sports (twice a week; each race is about 4 hours long) with a 70 - 200 VR and I don't use a monopod - 400 - 700 per night

They just get in the way



John Patrick
Registered: May 09, 2005
Total Posts: 2129
Country: United States

BlueReptile wrote:
My left arm would fall off if I shot 1000 gymnasts over a weekend without a monopod...


Bah. Wimp. (Although there have been times when I wish I did have one... IGI... *shivers*)

John



wyofizz
Registered: Sep 06, 2008
Total Posts: 248
Country: United States

Monopod is only used with the 300 2.8 here.
A monopod with the 70-200 feels like I'm manipulating the monopod more
than the camera and lens.

Dave



Rocketball
Registered: Dec 05, 2006
Total Posts: 1899
Country: United States

For me it depends on the situation. Sometimes I use it with my 70-200 f 2.8, sometimes I don't.



PierreB
Registered: Feb 23, 2005
Total Posts: 4470
Country: United Kingdom

I only use my monopod with my 400/2.8. Anything shorter I handhold and anything longer I use the Wimberley II. I even handhold the 400 sometimes if I have to.



Matt OHarver
Registered: Sep 18, 2006
Total Posts: 2340
Country: United States

I handhold my 300F2.8 IS with or without the 1.4 for everything but football. It is the only sport I use my monopod for, and the only reason I do is that I mount the flash on it down low. I also handhold my second body 1DsMKII and 70-200.


Matt



photolew
Registered: Nov 14, 2002
Total Posts: 57
Country: United States

Matt...you da man



Tim Speciale
Registered: Jul 21, 2004
Total Posts: 5787
Country: United States

John Patrick wrote:
BlueReptile wrote:
My left arm would fall off if I shot 1000 gymnasts over a weekend without a monopod...


Bah. Wimp. (Although there have been times when I wish I did have one... IGI... *shivers*)

John


I'm not going to lie. That weekend working for you, a monopod would have gone a long way.


That said, i prefer not to work with them if i don't have to, and a 70-200 is under the "i don't have to"



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