Help-Photog used HDR-don't like it!
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digigirl
Registered: Jul 01, 2008
Total Posts: 478
Country: United States

My real estate agent brought in a professional photographer to take pics of the house. Nice guy, good equipment.

However, it seems to me he used HDR on all of the pictures and I don't like them! To me, they look ghostly, flat, and washed out-especially the darker colors. Wondering if I should just keep my mouth shut or whether there might be some good reason to use HDR over regular processing?

Advice appreciated!

Terri



sbeme
Registered: Dec 23, 2003
Total Posts: 11854
Country: United States

only one image showing up reasonably sized
and I would say its terrible work for a pro

I agree, flat, lacking contrast, richer blacks.
I dont know why he went to the extra work of doing HDR, if that's what this is. You can screw up processing with LR and other programs with far too much shadow and highlight recovery. Main advantage of HDR would be extremes of lighting which are too much for the digital sensor, and that doesnt appear to be the case in these images.
I'd talk to the photographer about his technique, processing and give some feedback, or take one of these images or the RAWs, if he lets you, and show him/your agent, the look you prefer. Sounds like it could be a delicate discussion.

Scott



Bernie
Registered: Aug 24, 2002
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By boosting contrast and saturation you might be able to undo what he did....



sbeme
Registered: Dec 23, 2003
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OK, I see them all now, showing up larger.
Too HDRish, over-sharpened (unless sending to the web added additional sharpening), no perspective distortion correction (esp needed in first).
Of course, the other issue is, who will look at these images and under what conditions. Their eyes may not be as critical as ours.



SKYWESTR
Registered: Feb 18, 2005
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wow, those are pretty bad for real estate photos. While you can't "undo" what he did, you can probably make them a lot better by doing what Bernie said. Boost contrast a lot, maybe add to just the blacks too. Aparenetly the photog is used to using HDR for indoor shots and thought why not for outdoors too? Right now they're just too cartoonish.



digigirl
Registered: Jul 01, 2008
Total Posts: 478
Country: United States

Thanks everyone. I don't feel like the crazy amateur complaining to the "trained" professional. I did write my real estate agent to ask that the photographer use non-HDR versions. Worst case I can see what we can recover with what's there to prove a point to my RE agent. Like you said, others are not as critical but when you're paying a 6% commission fee, they better market you in the BEST light!



paulhodson
Registered: Jul 22, 2003
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Country: United Kingdom

Hilarious photographs. Totally appalling! You would not catch me keeping my mouth shut if my agent produced these.

Have to say - I did my own for my last house sale as otherwise in the UK it tends to be a snap from a P&&S by the agent himself.



digigirl
Registered: Jul 01, 2008
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Paul - My agent actually paid a "professional" to take these. A P&S would have been better!

I'm thinking there's a new business opportunity for me.



sbeme
Registered: Dec 23, 2003
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I'd go for it.

Scott



AuntiPode
Registered: Aug 05, 2008
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Country: New Zealand

Possibly the worst "professional" property photos I've ever seen!

Why go to the trouble to HDR the photos whilst not lifting a finger to correct the terrible perspective issues with the first?

Hard to salvage them. For the first, here's a version with quick stab at PS perspective correction, a slight rotation, contrast boost of 60, an exposure boost of +0.66, a gamma of 0.85, and a decreased saturation of -25. Despite all there corrections it remains odd and unnatural:



digigirl
Registered: Jul 01, 2008
Total Posts: 478
Country: United States

Thanks AuntiPode. Already looks better. I'm just not a big fan of HDR - looks comic-book like.

I showed my RE agent the difference just between these originals and a boost in contrast. He said, "Oh that's good to know! I pay extra for HDR." He also said the photog agreed to post the non-HDR versions. I've yet t see those but bet the keystoning (shifted perspective) won't be removed.

Would love to get ahold of the RAW files.



silvawispa
Registered: Nov 10, 2008
Total Posts: 564
Country: United Kingdom

Those photo's are truly outstanding. They stand out as being awful!

I like the way your agent pays extra for HDR. He should definitely get a refund because HDR can work, but the guy doing these just can't do it.

Whilst I'm sure in marketing terms it's worth having a different look to photo's, surely if there's one place where only documentary shots are required it's real estate!

Ultimately, it's you who are paying for the photo's. I'd insist on a reshoot, at a time of day when the light falls flatteringly on your house, with none of this messing about with post processing to get a 'cool' look, instead he can use the time to sort out the perspective problems!

If your agent can't arrange that, find one who can!

If you do get the RAW's and the agent uses your processing, don't forget to knock a couple of hours of your time of his bill!



nathanlake
Registered: May 23, 2005
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They look like paintings. I guess the photog could claim it is his "style".



dancam
Registered: Nov 13, 2008
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I can't believe that this was professionally done. Although the lines between somebody who is a professional and someone who is not are beginning to blur greatly. My friend's wife, for example, couldn't tell you the first thing about aperture settings or shutter speeds etc. She has a rebel XT and 18-55 with a third party flash. She sets the camera to full auto and works weddings I couldn't believe it when I found out! Technically that would make her professional, no?



J Baker
Registered: Mar 26, 2009
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Country: United States

However, it seems to me he used HDR on all of the pictures and I don't like them! To me, they look ghostly, flat, and washed out-especially the darker colors.

Yep. This is a result of all those millions of poorly tone-mapped images circulating the web... They're subverting the masses! It's scary when people who call themselves "professionals" actually think that is an acceptable look for anything, much less real estate images.

Wondering if I should just keep my mouth shut or whether there might be some good reason to use HDR over regular processing?

If asked, he'd probably say it's to preserve detail in the shadows (since he was out shooting at noon). However, there's no excuse for blending the images in such a garish, cartoonish way... and I mean that for all HDR images, not just these.



digitalbug30d
Registered: Apr 01, 2008
Total Posts: 3833
Country: United States

AuntiPode wrote:
Possibly the worst "professional" property photos I've ever seen!

Why go to the trouble to HDR the photos whilst not lifting a finger to correct the terrible perspective issues with the first?

Hard to salvage them. For the first, here's a version with quick stab at PS perspective correction, a slight rotation, contrast boost of 60, an exposure boost of +0.66, a gamma of 0.85, and a decreased saturation of -25. Despite all there corrections it remains odd and unnatural:

I think these are the worst photos Ive ever seen posted...plus they make my eyes water



ComSoup
Registered: Jan 30, 2008
Total Posts: 325
Country: United States

These are completely ridiculous. I can't believe the photographer thinks they are "good."



Johnny Bravo
Registered: May 03, 2004
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I'm not convinced they are HDR. I think they're the result of using the shadow/highlight sliders---poorly. And no, I SURE wouldn't pay for them. They are crap.



rickgondrong
Registered: Jul 07, 2009
Total Posts: 3
Country: Indonesia

i think this is to much touch in HDR...
i use to work with HDR image for villa and hotel interior exterior... but this is seems like to much HDR.
They can reduce HDR effect in this images...



ternus
Registered: Jun 29, 2009
Total Posts: 106
Country: United States

Ugh. There are reasons to use HDR, and you can get plenty of 100%-realistic looking images out of them. This looks like the "pro photographer" had just read about HDR and decided to try it out (or was enamored of the comic-book look). In any case, totally unprofessional.



digigirl
Registered: Jul 01, 2008
Total Posts: 478
Country: United States

Thanks everyone for your comments and insights. Good news is, in spite of the pictures, we did sell the house on day 8 for full price. Looks like the market is coming back.

Happy shooting!

Terri



ternus
Registered: Jun 29, 2009
Total Posts: 106
Country: United States

Congratulations! Now you know not to employ that photographer again



Cy1971
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
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Country: Canada

One thing to keep in mind is that a real estate photo is not entirely meant to be 100% authentic. Much like a fashion photo. You are trying to sell your house. What you really are looking for is an image that will stand out from the rest as potential buyers search through hundred's if not thousands of listing images. These images will definitely stand out.

That being said that is a pretty heavy handed and unnecessary use of HDR.



ComSoup
Registered: Jan 30, 2008
Total Posts: 325
Country: United States

I've seen this before in real estate photos. Blows my mind.



Big Mike
Registered: Apr 10, 2009
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Those are so bad. Is the photographer a student of Ken Rockwell?

When we sold our house the agent took pictures with a p&s. They were OK but he included a picture of our shed which was an eyesore.



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