Galbraith Update: MK III Not Improved
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mark fadely
Registered: Oct 09, 2005
Total Posts: 6624
Country: United States

Hi Randy,

My MKIII is working very nicely shooting a 300 2.8 wide open for soccer and BIF etc. RG's original test showed very poor accuracy with the MKIII when the DOF field was small. Now mine is more accurate than my MKIIn. The MKIIn is fantastic so that is quite an accomplishment for the MKIII.

I have followed and responded to many threads on the MKIII focusing over the last 2 years. Mine was manufactured in Feb '08 and originally only had an in-focus rate equal to 70% of my MKIIn. I kept the camera even though I was never really satisfied with it. Now after the latest fix it is spot on with all the critical narrow DOF shooting I do.

There is a lot of confusion out there right now with all the various fixes for the 1DMKIII and the 1DsMKIII respectively. If people don't own the camera they comment on it only is clouding concensus and interested readers are no doubt dumbfounded as to what is really going on.

Just to confuse things further it seems that users are getting inconsistent results after fixes to either model. One person cannot say that their experience will hold true for everyone else (including RGs findings).

I have been amazed with my MKIII ever since this last fix and I just hope that all the other owners could enjoy the results I'm getting with it now.

Randy Wright wrote:
Hi fellow Mark III owners,
I would be curious to see the newest results -(after the last fix/update)- we each were to acheive if we each tested our longest telephoto's lens at their widest aperature with a runner coming towards us on a bright sunny day, such as what RG did in his original test...
I know my early model June '07 Mark III has had all the fixes and updates, been to Canon Irvine a few times, and I use it all the time, but I wonder how she would fare testing like RG's original test? Have many of you folks tried testing that way? It's been May gray here at the L.A. beaches alot, but I am curious to try mine out soon...
Randy
LAsurfpix.com



musclepics
Registered: Sep 05, 2008
Total Posts: 841
Country: Canada

Four easy words to remember....
Rob Galbraith is wrong.



musclepics
Registered: Sep 05, 2008
Total Posts: 841
Country: Canada

mark fadely wrote:
Hi Randy,

My MKIII is working very nicely shooting a 300 2.8 wide open for soccer and BIF etc. RG's original test showed very poor accuracy with the MKIII when the DOF field was small. Now mine is more accurate than my MKIIn. The MKIIn is fantastic so that is quite an accomplishment for the MKIII.

I have followed and responded to many threads on the MKIII focusing over the last 2 years. Mine was manufactured in Feb '08 and originally only had an in-focus rate equal to 70% of my MKIIn. I kept the camera even though I was never really satisfied with it. Now after the latest fix it is spot on with all the critical narrow DOF shooting I do.

There is a lot of confusion out there right now with all the various fixes for the 1DMKIII and the 1DsMKIII respectively. If people don't own the camera they comment on it only is clouding concensus and interested readers are no doubt dumbfounded as to what is really going on.

Just to confuse things further it seems that users are getting inconsistent results after fixes to either model. One person cannot say that their experience will hold true for everyone else (including RGs findings).

I have been amazed with my MKIII ever since this last fix and I just hope that all the other owners could enjoy the results I'm getting with it now.

Randy Wright wrote:
Hi fellow Mark III owners,
I would be curious to see the newest results -(after the last fix/update)- we each were to acheive if we each tested our longest telephoto's lens at their widest aperature with a runner coming towards us on a bright sunny day, such as what RG did in his original test...
I know my early model June '07 Mark III has had all the fixes and updates, been to Canon Irvine a few times, and I use it all the time, but I wonder how she would fare testing like RG's original test? Have many of you folks tried testing that way? It's been May gray here at the L.A. beaches alot, but I am curious to try mine out soon...
Randy
LAsurfpix.com


++1
Your post mirrors my experience, and the experience of the vast majority of MK III users out there. RG can say his cameras aren't working properly, and that's about it. For him to say there is a problem still across the board shows how wrong he really is. RG is part of the tiny, but vocal minority.
Randy, you and I represent the vast majority whose MK III's are better now than any other camera out there when it comes to AF. I can point to 2 polls in this forum alone that show a 70-85% satisfaction rate with the AF of the MK III, especially after the recall, with most saying it now trumps the MK II in daylight action.


Oh and when I asked my friend in Calgary (a Nikon shooter btw) today why RG is so miffed at Canon... was it just because of the AF issue? He said "no, it's actually about $$$... if you notice Rob Galbraith's page used to be littered with Canon adverts, and now they are nowhere to be seen. He's pissed that they will no longer advertised on his site, and is probably seeking retribution with these MK III articles".

Again, remember the 4 words....
Rob Galbraith is wrong.


Oh, and at the last marathon I shot, all the local media were using Canon, mainly MK III's, and there was one lonely dude using a Nikon (not sure which one). I talked to a few photogs from the local papers and they all said their MK III's are incredible since the recall fix, and they have now upgraded most of their MK II's. So it's a myth to think all media has switched over.



musclepics
Registered: Sep 05, 2008
Total Posts: 841
Country: Canada

Randy Wright wrote:
Hi fellow Mark III owners,
I would be curious to see the newest results -(after the last fix/update)- we each were to acheive if we each tested our longest telephoto's lens at their widest aperature with a runner coming towards us on a bright sunny day, such as what RG did in his original test...
I know my early model June '07 Mark III has had all the fixes and updates, been to Canon Irvine a few times, and I use it all the time, but I wonder how she would fare testing like RG's original test? Have many of you folks tried testing that way? It's been May gray here at the L.A. beaches alot, but I am curious to try mine out soon...
Randy
LAsurfpix.com



Well, I've done exactly this, and my keeper rate is about 93% after the fix.
Before the fix, Prophotohome showed the 1D MKIII as the best DSLR using this test (beating the D3, MKII, D300, etc).

This fellow did the same on another forum, with something like 95% keeper rate in the same test as RG.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=8017646&postcount=33



gbee
Registered: May 21, 2004
Total Posts: 1949
Country: Ireland

Mercy sakes, just when I thought my 1DMKIII was working well enough, Rob tells me it's not .........

He even has a term to dismiss my own reports, he believes my camera was so immeasurably bad that post 3rd recall, I'd think it fantastic, but in reality it's not ...

So how can I answer that?

He might be right too, despite my satire.



rhyder
Registered: Jul 10, 2004
Total Posts: 3560
Country: United States

musclepics wrote:
Randy Wright wrote:
Hi fellow Mark III owners,
I would be curious to see the newest results -(after the last fix/update)- we each were to acheive if we each tested our longest telephoto's lens at their widest aperature with a runner coming towards us on a bright sunny day, such as what RG did in his original test...
I know my early model June '07 Mark III has had all the fixes and updates, been to Canon Irvine a few times, and I use it all the time, but I wonder how she would fare testing like RG's original test? Have many of you folks tried testing that way? It's been May gray here at the L.A. beaches alot, but I am curious to try mine out soon...
Randy
LAsurfpix.com



Well, I've done exactly this, and my keeper rate is about 93% after the fix.


Let's see your shots.



musclepics
Registered: Sep 05, 2008
Total Posts: 841
Country: Canada

rhyder wrote:
musclepics wrote:
Randy Wright wrote:
Hi fellow Mark III owners,
I would be curious to see the newest results -(after the last fix/update)- we each were to acheive if we each tested our longest telephoto's lens at their widest aperature with a runner coming towards us on a bright sunny day, such as what RG did in his original test...
I know my early model June '07 Mark III has had all the fixes and updates, been to Canon Irvine a few times, and I use it all the time, but I wonder how she would fare testing like RG's original test? Have many of you folks tried testing that way? It's been May gray here at the L.A. beaches alot, but I am curious to try mine out soon...
Randy
LAsurfpix.com



Well, I've done exactly this, and my keeper rate is about 93% after the fix.


Let's see your shots.

I have about 400 from a few hours shooting a marathon, with people doing nothing but jogging directly at me. So, I have lots to choose! My keeper rate was about 93% (in sharp focus). Last year under the same circumstances prior to the recall, my keeper rate in bright daylight was about 40%. I don't do a lot of "spray and pray" so I will try to find a continuous sequence to post.



patriot
Registered: Aug 30, 2008
Total Posts: 302
Country: United States

gbee wrote:
Mercy sakes, just when I thought my 1DMKIII was working well enough, Rob tells me it's not .........



! Yes, I was afraid to even pick mine up today and turn it on, after reading RG's latest!



Glen_C
Registered: Oct 18, 2006
Total Posts: 349
Country: United States

Garylv wrote:
Glen_C wrote:
...but he is DENSE to say the least.

Canon clearly disagrees with you.

Actually you are wrong.

Much or Rob's petty nonsense is from the fact that Canon ignored his initial drivel, then after working with him & watching his methods took their equipment, issued a firmware upgrade & said (to paraphrase) the 1DmkIII is the best focusing camera they ever built.

You can search for their presser but it basically dismissed Rob telling him to STFU (which he really should already his 15-minutes long ago expired).

Now canon did have obvious QC/hardware DEFECTS but that has nothing to do with ATTENTION STARVED Rob. Sure we''d have liked Canon to fixed the defects quicker but who is to say they weren't working on it 24/7/365.




kewlcanon
Registered: Mar 28, 2009
Total Posts: 3162
Country: United States

If it works for you why care about what RG said, it's like saying "your wife is ugly if you believe it ..well "



BCNY
Registered: Jan 31, 2008
Total Posts: 91
Country: United States

kewlcanon wrote:
If it works for you why care about what RG said, it's like saying "your wife is ugly if you believe it ..well "



+1

Maybe all the issues are due to disgruntled canon employees.

http://gizmodo.com/5273192/canon-employees-are-forbidden-to-sit-down-walk-at-normal-pace



gbee
Registered: May 21, 2004
Total Posts: 1949
Country: Ireland

kewlcanon wrote:If it works for you why care about what RG said, it's like saying "your wife is ugly if you believe it ..well "

Nikon is ugly, it's how hard she, erm it works, gets the dinner, cleans the clothes, makes the bed and how well she disturbs it that counts ... I sell paper sacks for ugly wives ... to put over her head ....



Curator
Registered: Jun 05, 2005
Total Posts: 199
Country: United States

Hrow wrote:
Mine is going back in because the latest fix has taken a well functioning 1DsMkIII and made it erratic.


You had a well functioning body and you sent it in for a fix? If it was well functioning, what did you ask them to fix?



John P Mulgrew
Registered: Dec 10, 2005
Total Posts: 4149
Country: United States

I'm liking my fix



Hrow
Registered: Oct 19, 2004
Total Posts: 5153
Country: United States

Curator wrote:
Hrow wrote:
Mine is going back in because the latest fix has taken a well functioning 1DsMkIII and made it erratic.


You had a well functioning body and you sent it in for a fix? If it was well functioning, what did you ask them to fix?




The improvements were supposed to improve performance on the outer points (and supposedly the latest fix applied equally to the 1D and the 1Ds). 70% of my shooting is center point - which was fine - but the outer points were a bit marginal but not awful, as would be expected. The improvement I have seen on the outer points would have been very welcome if it did not have the price of lowering the consistence of the center point performance.



sskoutas
Registered: Feb 15, 2006
Total Posts: 3154
Country: United States

I could be wrong, but I think RG is so closely allied with Nikon now that his views are no longer objective. There is a tone to his posts for the past year or two that leaves me feeling like I am not hearing the whole story, I'm only hearing the agenda someone wants forwarded.

I certainly could be wrong, no doubt about it. This is my opinion only.



patriot
Registered: Aug 30, 2008
Total Posts: 302
Country: United States

kewlcanon wrote:
If it works for you why care about what RG said, it's like saying "your wife is ugly if you believe it ..well "


Oh no! Not my WIFE! I never knew she was ugly! Always thought she was pretty good looking.

What a day ... my camera, which worked GREAT until this morning when I read RG's latest, NOW can't focus, AND my WIFE is UGLY too!

Hmmmm .... maybe I'll give my MkIII to my wife ...



Curator
Registered: Jun 05, 2005
Total Posts: 199
Country: United States

jamesf99 wrote:
Unfortunately, there are some here (on FM) that just can't get it through their thick skulls that some people MAY be having problems even after the fix.


I don't remember reading any posts like you describe, but I have seen many that want to try and convince everyone that because they have problems, everyone else must also have problem cameras.

If someone claims to have a defective camera, I don't see how anyone can say it works fine without either trying out their camera or getting more information as to what could have caused the problem. But for some reason, those with defective cameras have no problem making the claim that all cameras must be defective and are using these reports from RG to try and back up their claim.





omarlyn
Registered: Feb 19, 2004
Total Posts: 3696
Country: United States

RobertLynn wrote:
I just want to say that I hope the 1dmk4 comes out soon, so the used 1dmk3 goes down in price...oh and I hope that the 1dmk3 fixes are great, because I hope to get a used one :P


+1



globalkiwi
Registered: Jul 02, 2008
Total Posts: 2240
Country: United States

Nello Milanese wrote:
I swear if I read RG's name again my head is gonna explode. I'm sure he's a great guy and all and have nothing against him but over these last 2 years or so I got so fed up of people just dying and drooling waiting for him to write a few lines like he's the God almighty or something!


+1

Can't we just make our own decisions about our cameras? Why does RG's judgement have to make such a big difference? Can't we just disagree with him - or not - and move along? When I woke up this morning I was pretty happy with my choice of camera - and wife - happily I'm thinking it will be the same when I go to sleep this evening, regardless of RG.



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