Personal Ultron experience
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tsoutij
Registered: Jul 11, 2008
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I don't have many shots posted up yet, but a few are at the end of the page at this link:



AGeoJO
Registered: Jul 08, 2003
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weezintrumpete wrote:
Any more photos anyone would like to post with the 40/2? I'd love to see some more real world sample shots (street/people/landscapes/etc) as opposed to "test shots". I think this might be my next lens purchase!


I just received this lens from Stephen Gandy and here is one of the first real-life shots. I had to stop down this lens quite a bit to get the somewhat "milky" appearance of the water. I don't have an ND filter for this lens .



Makten
Registered: Jul 14, 2008
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I bought an Ultron II this friday, and I have used it over the weekend. It's really a great little lens, and I think it will be my most used one on the D700.
The bokeh is better than the usual 50 mm lenses (except for the Sigma), but not really great until stopped down or at close distance. Good enough for me. The aperture is very near circular too.
It's sharp already at f/2, and one of the best lenses I've tried from f/2.8-16 on FF (22 is not good at all). Colors are nice, and the contrast is generally good, but the tiny shade can be a problem in certain situations.
Because of the CPU, you're not restricted to full stops, which is a good thing (if you use a Nikon camera, that is).
Vignetting is quite visible at f/2, but more or less gone by f/4. There is some barrel distortion at close distances, but not much at all at infinity.

I'll post some examples later.



weezintrumpete
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I'd love to see them!



Makten
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These are all shot with Nikon D700 and the Ultron II during the midsummer weekend. Some are JPG:s straigt out of the camera, and some are processed in ACR and PS CS4.

f/2.5:



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f/8, cropped sideways to 5:7 format:



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f/4 (swedish weather...):



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f/2 with a polarizer, and here we can see the bad side of the bokeh (35/1.4 would have been much worse, though):



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100% crop of above.



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In terms of sharpness, this lens is just as good as the Nikkor 24-70/2.8. The bokeh can sometimes be harsh, but it depends much on how you use it.
I'll post some more in an hour or so.

Edit: The closer you focus, the better the bokeh gets. This is at f/2.



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Gary Clennan
Registered: Mar 29, 2007
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Makten wrote:
These are all shot with Nikon D700 and the Ultron II during the midsummer weekend. Some are JPG:s straigt out of the camera, and some are processed in ACR and PS CS4.

f/2.5:



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Nice pics! I think I have seen you use that beer model in a previous thread....


Makten
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Gary Clennan wrote:
Nice pics! I think I have seen you use that beer model in a previous thread....


That's right! It's a friend of mine that shares the interest in photo and beer.

Another shot, after several beers. Wide open. This is somewhere inbetween the good and the bad bokeh distance. I think it's quite funky, and I like it.



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Late edit: Everything is not about bokeh. This is at f/4 on a tripod in the middle of the night.



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mawz
Registered: Sep 11, 2005
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Here's a few from the Ultron



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F80, PanF+



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D300



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D300



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F801s, Superia X-Tra 400


Makten
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I just did a little bokeh test with the Ultron. Not very scientific, but you'll get the idea. The bokeh is nice and smooth at short distance, but needs some stopping down when focusing farther away.

~2 feet @ f/2; nice and smooth.



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~4 feet @ f/2; still quite good, but a tendency of bright outlining of the blur discs appears.



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~6 feet @ f/2; that's it, now we are in the territory of "nisen bokeh", but not too bad.



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~6 feet @ f/2.8; stopping down just one stop solves the problem quite good, and the vignetting is also alot less evident.



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dave chilvers
Registered: Jan 12, 2002
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I bought my 40 ultron a few months ago new from robert white in the UK. There is no doubt that the ultron is a really great little lens. However! using a lens has to be a good experience as well as a good performer. There is no doubt that the position of the aperture ring grip is in the wrong place and the ring itself is very close to the camera body making it for me (although small and nice and light) an awkward lens to use.
I did a brick wall test http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/766539/0#7014203 with a lot of my lenses recently on a boring day and the outright winner for IQ and corners was the Sumi 50 f2, combined with a decent built in hood and the feel of real quality.
So what I did in the end was to carry the 50 and purchase a mint Contax 35 2.8. I wouldn`t say that the Contax 35 is sharper than the Ultron but it sure is nicer and more ergonomic to use. They both have a different way of writing the image and I would say that the Ultron has a slightly more modern look to the images while the Contax 35 has that classic Contax look. Either one give great images though and in the end it comes down to pleasure of use for me.



mawz
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dave chilvers wrote:
I bought my 40 ultron a few months ago new from robert white in the UK. There is no doubt that the ultron is a really great little lens. However! using a lens has to be a good experience as well as a good performer. There is no doubt that the position of the aperture ring grip is in the wrong place and the ring itself is very close to the camera body making it for me (although small and nice and light) an awkward lens to use.
I did a brick wall test http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/766539/0#7014203 with a lot of my lenses recently on a boring day and the outright winner for IQ and corners was the Sumi 50 f2, combined with a decent built in hood and the feel of real quality.
So what I did in the end was to carry the 50 and purchase a mint Contax 35 2.8. I wouldn`t say that the Contax 35 is sharper than the Ultron but it sure is nicer and more ergonomic to use. They both have a different way of writing the image and I would say that the Ultron has a slightly more modern look to the images while the Contax 35 has that classic Contax look. Either one give great images though and in the end it comes down to pleasure of use for me.


Note the handling issues with the Ultron are because it has fairly standard Nikon ergonomics aside from the thin rubber focus ring (which is smaller than similar sized Nikon lenses in order to allow a better set of focus markings). If you don't mind most Nikon lenses, you'll be fine with the Ultron.



weezintrumpete
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Thanks for all of the sample shots, I want one even more now!



burningheart
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5D MKII



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dave chilvers
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Note the handling issues with the Ultron are because it has fairly standard Nikon ergonomics aside from the thin rubber focus ring (which is smaller than similar sized Nikon lenses in order to allow a better set of focus markings). If you don't mind most Nikon lenses, you'll be fine with the Ultron.

mawz
Sorry, I can`t agree! I only have one Nikon lens left in my arsenal which is a 55mm 2.8 micro so have to go by memory for other focal lengths that I`ve owned.

This Nikon lens has a RAISED aperture ring that is very heavily notched/ indented or what ever the correct term is, this covers the complete circumference apart from the bunnie ears that is also a good anchor point to grab in a hurry. Next to this is a metal ribbed ring that is still raised but not quite as much as the aperture ring and allows part of your focussing digit to slide around and act as a guide to keep you clear of the focus tube. Your fingers go straight to the aperture ring and don`t touch the focus ring till you want to.
Where as the Ultron has it`s aperure ring at the same(more or less) circumference as the next fixed ring and the focus ring. The ribbing doesn`t cover the whole circumference of the aperture ring which sees you scrabbling for grip at times and because everything is so thin and compact it doesn`t just come as natural to grab and turn, you find yourself having to think more about what you are doing rather than (like most well designed lenses) it becoming second nature.
The focus ring on the ULtron having a raised rubber grip towards the front is superb for fine focus and control but (I suppose it`s the nature of a pancake lens) the distance between the raised focus ring section and the camera body is shallow and as most of us use the forefinger and thumb to focus or change aperture you find that your thumb (when you apply light pressure) spreads out and touches both aperture and raised section of the focus ring let alone the metal section of the focus ring that lies below any sized digit.

OK, a long explanation and it wasn`t made to put anyone down but to inform would be purchasers that they need to make sure there is a sale or return policy where they buy one from because I can`t remember over 40 years of photography (other than some M series Leica lenses) that has a handling glitch quite like the Ultron.
On the other hand my granddaughters seem to be able to handle the lens better than me but their fingers are 12 year old dainty digits whereas mine are fairly average mans hands.( still quite nimble but still man sized)

Friendly!!!



mawz
Registered: Sep 11, 2005
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Dave,

I'm comparing directly to the 50/1.8 Series E, which is pretty much identical in size to the 40 Ultron. Other than using wider ribbing on the aperture ring and a very slightly raised (but unlabelled) ring between the aperture and focus rings the design is just about identical to the Ultron. In fact I find the Ultron handles a bit better because of the extra distance between the aperture ring and the rubber focusing grip. The early series E's all lack the fixed ring above the aperture ring.



Makten
Registered: Jul 14, 2008
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dave chilvers wrote:
There is no doubt that the position of the aperture ring grip is in the wrong place and the ring itself is very close to the camera body making it for me (although small and nice and light) an awkward lens to use.


Note that this is not a problem when using it on Nikon cameras, since the lens has a CPU and the aperture can (must?) be controlled from the camera.



dave chilvers
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Makten wrote:
dave chilvers wrote:
There is no doubt that the position of the aperture ring grip is in the wrong place and the ring itself is very close to the camera body making it for me (although small and nice and light) an awkward lens to use.


Note that this is not a problem when using it on Nikon cameras, since the lens has a CPU and the aperture can (must?) be controlled from the camera.


Good Point



mawz
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Makten wrote:
dave chilvers wrote:
There is no doubt that the position of the aperture ring grip is in the wrong place and the ring itself is very close to the camera body making it for me (although small and nice and light) an awkward lens to use.


Note that this is not a problem when using it on Nikon cameras, since the lens has a CPU and the aperture can (must?) be controlled from the camera.


Depends on the Nikon camera, the ones which support AI metering also support use of an aperture ring.



dave chilvers
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mawz wrote:
Dave,

I'm comparing directly to the 50/1.8 Series E, which is pretty much identical in size to the 40 Ultron. Other than using wider ribbing on the aperture ring and a very slightly raised (but unlabelled) ring between the aperture and focus rings the design is just about identical to the Ultron. In fact I find the Ultron handles a bit better because of the extra distance between the aperture ring and the rubber focusing grip. The early series E's all lack the fixed ring above the aperture ring.


I fully agree that the rubbered focus ring is sweet, no doubt about it but I find I`m forever rechecking to make sure I haven`t moved the focus ring after stopping down and that slight raise (as small as it might be) can make a hell of a lot of difference when you are shooting from just feel.
Actually I set the lens up on my 5D2 along with a Nikon 55 in sequence and passed the camera to my wife who struggled to set the aperture on the ULtron. Maybe not a fair test but she found the ring on the 55 straight away. Having said all that she ( being probably the fairest person I know, which is annoying at times;-) did say that I have perhaps hands that are on the large side of normal so maybe that isn`t helping. It is a lens that will probably see some use on my infrared 450D or 500D when I want to travel light which is a shame because I know just how well it performs on my 5D2/1dsmk3 which IMHO is no mean feat.
So! absolutely no problems with IQ and a test shot into the light saw no flare or Ca what so ever around tree branches.
Maybe I`ll do what someone else suggested on a previous thread! put some form of self adhesive rubber around the aperture ring so that it holds the fingers clear of the focus tube and also gives you something to aim for by feel.



mawz
Registered: Sep 11, 2005
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dave chilvers wrote:

I fully agree that the rubbered focus ring is sweet, no doubt about it but I find I`m forever rechecking to make sure I haven`t moved the focus ring after stopping down and that slight raise (as small as it might be) can make a hell of a lot of difference when you are shooting from just feel.
Actually I set the lens up on my 5D2 along with a Nikon 55 in sequence and passed the camera to my wife who struggled to set the aperture on the ULtron. Maybe not a fair test but she found the ring on the 55 straight away. Having said all that she ( being probably the fairest person I know, which is annoying at times;-) did say that I have perhaps hands that are on the large side of normal so maybe that isn`t helping. It is a lens that will probably see some use on my infrared 450D or 500D when I want to travel light which is a shame because I know just how well it performs on my 5D2/1dsmk3 which IMHO is no mean feat.
So! absolutely no problems with IQ and a test shot into the light saw no flare or Ca what so ever around tree branches.
Maybe I`ll do what someone else suggested on a previous thread! put some form of self adhesive rubber around the aperture ring so that it holds the fingers clear of the focus tube and also gives you something to aim for by feel.


I know a few people have put self-adhesive nubs on the 40/2's aperture ring.



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