Ok, I just finished up with one moonbat obnoxious client. I'm REALLY ready to be done with them for just a little while. Out of all of our clients this last year only one really annoyed the heck out of me, but I just finished with her today and I'm VERY happy to be finished!

With that said: I have a lady who is interested in booking us. However, she seems flaky and moonbatish and I'm going to have to go with gut instinct on this one and say "I don't need any more drama". I want to be finished with her without potentially hurting my reputation and without her realizing I'm shrugging her off because I get a bad vibe. Her most recent e-mail to me is that she doesn't want to pay the deposit until we meet and she can't do so until Feb. Well obviously I won't hold the date for her for that long or even close to it. She said she is worried I'm a potential scammer and that maybe the pictures on my website weren't mine. I can understand that attitude and if I was finding a photographer I would have similar concerns. Then again, I would do a little bit of research and would never tell the photographer of my concerns. A little googling, and a whois lookup and it should be obvious that I am who I say I am. The part that sketches me out is that in her e-mail before that she asked how she should put down a deposit. I don't like wishy washy crap and that's what this is. If she did this now I'll have to deal with this level of stupid from here on out with her if I let her book me.

I'm worried that if I give her references she will think I'm just faking e-mails or even phone calls...I don't want to underestimate her paranoia here. I'm worried that if I tell her I booked the date and she is SOL she will take that as a confirmation that she unearthed me for the scammer she suspected. Then, she'll run to The Knot and I'll have even more retarded drama to deal with. I'm worried that if I tell her "I just don't think we are the right fit for each other" she will do the exact same thing. I could let a week or two pass and THEN tell her the date was booked, but that seems like a silly way of dealing with the situation.

How would you rid yourselves of this drama llama?

Send them somthing like:

Thank you for your interest in (name of company). Choosing a photographer that is a good fit to capture your day is a hard choice. A photography studio also struggles with choosing which Brides to fill such a small number of available days. Based on your response to our fill in your choice here, we feel you would be better served to keep searching and find a photographer that better meets your needs.

Thanks and good luck.

Whats moonbat mean?

Chrono1081 wrote:
Whats moonbat mean?

It's just another way of saying crazy



Gary: that is a very professional way of putting it and is definitely a good option, thanks!

Chrono1081 wrote:
Whats moonbat mean?

Not to get into an etymology discussion here, but I'm guessing the original poster isn't aware of the usual meaning. 'Moonbat' is a slang political term for an ultra liberal, just like 'wingnut' is a slang political term for an ultra conservative...both terms are out of place on a photography forum IMHO and they are usually used in a denigrating manner...

Honestly, if she is a wingnut or dingbat or whatever other term applicable...dont worry about her too much. If she cant meet with you until Feb then let her know that you cannot promise the date to her. Mention that it is a first come first serve basis. Then 3 weeks down the road (not right away) Just email her and let her know that you no longer have the date available. This is not lying... because if you dont want to work with her then it is not available to her. Seriously, dont stress about it too much.

Don't tell her that you dont want to work with, or that you aren't the right "fit" for her because if she is as difficult as you say, then she may try and sue you for some sort of discrimination.

Good Luck and let us know how it all works out.

~Andrew

I'd probably say something like this:

Dear (Moonbat Bride):

I regret to inform you that I am no longer available for your wedding date. I wish you the best.

Sincerely,

Nathan

Gary Harfield wrote:
Send them somthing like:

Thank you for your interest in (name of company). Choosing a photographer that is a good fit to capture your day is a hard choice. A photography studio also struggles with choosing which Brides to fill such a small number of available days. Based on your response to our fill in your choice here, we feel you would be better served to keep searching and find a photographer that better meets your needs.

Thanks and good luck.


+1

Other than that, I think you may basically have to say something like:

As per our studio's policy, we are unable to retain that date for you unless a deposit is received...etc
and just leave it at that. Really what can she do? Anyone she talks to probably already thinks she's a dingbat... Even if its not obvious to her, someone in her own circle of accquaintences should know that in the wedding industry dates can't be retained unless a deposit is paid whether it be a photographer or the reception venue.


I've got a funny feeling I may have one of these brides coming up this year. I wish I'd said no.

Good luck!

alanwarp wrote:
Chrono1081 wrote:
Whats moonbat mean?

Not to get into an etymology discussion here, but I'm guessing the original poster isn't aware of the usual meaning. 'Moonbat' is a slang political term for an ultra liberal, just like 'wingnut' is a slang political term for an ultra conservative...both terms are out of place on a photography forum IMHO and they are usually used in a denigrating manner...

Huh, I DID get the phrase from a forum that frequently discusses politics in a not nice manner. I didn't mean that I think she's an ultra-liberal, ultra-conservative or anything of the sort. I always just assumed they used it as a synonym for crazy which would apply to her. Sorry if I offended, I just meant she was a wacko...not one of any particular persuasion (and it really wouldn't matter to me...my clients have been from all sides of the political spectrum and we've gotten along great...as long as their checks clear )

I'll probably just mention that I can't hold the date and then tell her in a bit that it is no longer available using a similarly professional way to what was said earlier.

The crazy one I just finished up with gave me that bad vibe at first too, I REALLY should have known better, but hey...lesson learned! In general I love our clients, it's just those rare few who slip through...


Edit: you know, funny enough I KNOW she shopped around after her initial inquiry with me and eventually came back around my way. What do you bet all the other photographers were smart enough to spot the crazy right up front and say they weren't available? I know this because she actually told me she shopped me against everyone else. It was one of those "should I be flattered....or not?" moments.

Nathan27 wrote:


Edit: you know, funny enough I KNOW she shopped around after her initial inquiry with me and eventually came back around my way. What do you bet all the other photographers were smart enough to spot the crazy right up front and say they weren't available? I know this because she actually told me she shopped me against everyone else. It was one of those "should I be flattered....or not?" moments.

Well if a well known and respected wedding planner said that he/she shopped around all the other photogs in my area and decided I was the first best choice for her to recomend to her clients I would definitely be flattered. But having a PITA potential client who already looks like a nutcase before you even meet her tell me she shopped all the competition and decided to grace me with her oh so important business I would just come to the same conclusion you seem to have already come to, she thinks I may be the only one that is stupid enough to work with her.

Gary Harfield wrote:
Send them somthing like:

Thank you for your interest in (name of company). Choosing a photographer that is a good fit to capture your day is a hard choice. A photography studio also struggles with choosing which Brides to fill such a small number of available days. Based on your response to our fill in your choice here, we feel you would be better served to keep searching and find a photographer that better meets your needs.

Thanks and good luck.

with all due respect, -1

this is the type of email/letter i'd send to someone i'd established a relationship with-for an inquiry (whom you haven't even met with), it's i prefer liza's simple and short version-it doesn't reveal too much

if this potential bride really is a difficult person, any information, reasonable or not can be used against you

daniel

Seriously, how much damage do you really think she can do? My guess is zero. She CAN do damage of you take her on. There are times when I have a potential client come in and I figure out fairly quickly that I do not like them. I look and them and say "I have decided I am not interested in taking you case" That's it. Short, sweet, simple and definitely to the point. I see no reason why photographers can't do the same.

Tell her you cannot hold a date without a deposit. You have another inquiry on the date in question and will accept their deposit. Wish her luck in finding a photographer and a happy wedding day. I'd wait a week before sending the response.

Be in business to be in business.

Tell her the policy is to receive the deposit this week to hold the date, otherwise it will not be available.

Make sure your business model has no discounts for this client.

Have a good contract.

Make a bunch of money or she bails because she doesn't meet your policy...

then it is not you, it is her who bails...

Dear XXXX,

while I am truly flattered that you would consider us for your day, I really believe your needs would be better served with someone who can fulfill your specific needs better than I feel we would.

May I recommend www.anotherphotog.com as an alternative.

Thanks again for your consideration and all the best to you both on your day.

Be professional even if the customer is not. Always be prompt in responding. Be pleasant. Your policy is stated on your website, but be nice. Word it something to the affect of "Just as you have concerns, I'm sure you can understand why I cannot hold a date without a minimum deposit." Tell her that you would be happy to hold the date for a non-refundable deposit on the minimum package with a release form (attached) if she can't meet until February. Signing the contract and those specifics can wait (chance to upsell in person).

She's concerned about scammers just like you are concerned about those who cut and run. Surely she can empathize with you. My motto is maintain 50/50 at all times in any negotiation. That weeds out the nuts all by itself. Give an inch and if they take a mile, it's your own fault.

Some people ask questions for the sake of asking something to size you up (I've had 45 minute conversations about the weather and then booked business without a business question). Older folks, some in the 40s and definitely older, are not email savy. They may not know how they come across. Ask her to call you with further questions in your response. You might confirm your fears or not.

Gordon walker wrote:
Be professional even if the customer is not. Always be prompt in responding. Be pleasant. Your policy is stated on your website, but be nice. Word it something to the affect of "Just as you have concerns, I'm sure you can understand why I cannot hold a date without a minimum deposit." Tell her that you would be happy to hold the date for a non-refundable deposit on the minimum package with a release form (attached) if she can't meet until February. Signing the contract and those specifics can wait (chance to upsell in person).

She's concerned about scammers just like you are concerned about those who cut and run. Surely she can empathize with you. My motto is maintain 50/50 at all times in any negotiation. That weeds out the nuts all by itself. Give an inch and if they take a mile, it's your own fault.

Some people ask questions for the sake of asking something to size you up (I've had 45 minute conversations about the weather and then booked business without a business question). Older folks, some in the 40s and definitely older, are not email savy. They may not know how they come across. Ask her to call you with further questions in your response. You might confirm your fears or not.

This is great advice!

If all her concern is that she's afraid you're going to split, then I'd simply say, "I can't hold your date until I get a deposit." and if you fill the date, you're done with her. If you don't, at least you still get a booking. The first one may have been a pain, but her money is still green. I don't know how much you're charging, but I'm sure it's worth over a grand or 2 for the headache. If you're charging $500....

John Power wrote:
Seriously, how much damage do you really think she can do? My guess is zero. She CAN do damage of you take her on. There are times when I have a potential client come in and I figure out fairly quickly that I do not like them. I look and them and say "I have decided I am not interested in taking you case" That's it. Short, sweet, simple and definitely to the point. I see no reason why photographers can't do the same.


+1

Don't make this thing so dramatic. A short note letting her know you are no longer available and move on. It's not as if she will post billboards around town about you. Even if she tell a few people do you really think it'll get around THAT much?

If I had a client sit down in my office and tell me they were worried I might be a potential scammer it would all I could do no to get up, walk around my desk and physically throw them out of my office. I would not give a DAMN about what they might say to anyone. All this "nice guy PR tenderness" stuff would not work for me in an insulting scenario like that.

It is not difficult to verify the authenticity of a bonafide professional no matter what the profession...