Sure. Why don't you go tell this to the 30000 members of apug? Or the 25000 members of rangefinderforum? Oh no wait! These are demoniac users of Leica! Another dreaded cult camera brand that's totally dead and useless!

We don't have that many members in a range finder forum board here at FM. Or an a apug board That is what was discussed here, an extra board at FM. I don't see the need and use for it. The alt gear board is good enough for it. I don't share your opinion on Leica as a dreaded cult camera brand that's dead and useless. I see it just as a brand that went down as a result of corporate mismanagement and over-conservative product management that only survived since the end 70-ies by cultivating a nostalgia atmosphere producing old fashioned cameras and sell most of them like jewels in all kind of collector item special edition series. That is not the same as useless or dead or dreaded. Anyway, they don't give any kind of EOSfun

Marcel VanEerd wrote:
dcains wrote:
Marcel VanEerd wrote:
Can we please have subcategories, then?
I propose 35mm, 120/220, 4x5 and larger. For the obviously necessary Alternative Film Tread 110, 126 and Polaroid could be considered.
If positive film users feel repressed, or in any way left out, they could suggest a forum of their own. That way, the Nikon vs Canon debaters can happily continue with a Negative vs Positive war

Perhaps we should kick it off with at least 4 polls.


Sorry, but IMHO that's a silly idea. Film is film, and the principles which apply to 35mm also apply to 120, large format, etc. With multiple forums I'd surely miss something which might prompt me to try something new, and really how many divisions do we need here?


Okay - so I'm not funny. I WAS trying to be sarcastic...

Don't worry. I got it.

EVERY ONE ON HERE NEEDS TO MAIL THE SITE OWNERS and demand a response to film users...AND USERS GENERALLY....

Amazing that this message was needed...What is FM about??

racoll wrote:
eosfun wrote:
BTW how many film related topics did we have the last lustrum? Film is almost dead. Kodak knows, Fujifilm knows. Agfa died with it. Konica, where is Konica film? Anyway, what do you want to know about film? Film is nostalgia, EOSfun of the past. We already have the alternative gear forum. It fits perfectly well there. The forum for the niches and cult products. Mostly for photographers with an experimental mind set. Alternative, just like it says. That's what film has become. The list box of boards is already long enough. No film forum is my vote!

This is another reason I'd like a film forum. I'm for "eosfun" as much as the next guy, but my eosfun covers all of my eos stuff, and it would be nice to discuss it with others who don't feel the need to constantly disdain film or the users of film. Film's popularity is much less than in the past, but it isn't dead nor do I think it will be anytime soon. There are many of us who very happily use both and there are the younger photographers who started with digital and would like to learn to use film. And there is still a very large base who uses film only, choosing not to delve into digital at all. It would be helpful to all of these people to have a dedicated space to discuss this particular medium, and if you think film is dead or that the use of it is ridiculous, stay off of that forum and visit one that makes you feel more comfortable. "Kodak knows. Fujifilm knows" yet Kodak continues to release films that are more "scanner friendly" while Fujifilm actually takes a step back in time and brings back Velvia 50. Neither of these is a big market shake-up but it does show a response directed towards those photographers with a specific need which, considering the costs to do so, is pretty significant. Sure, film won't attain the level of sales it once had (although I'm certain I gave it a huge boost considering how much film I bought over the last year for my classic rangefinders and SLRs!) but there are still an awful lot of users and others interested--just look at the response to the OP's question.

+1

I guess in his world you can only have EOSfun if you have the latest and greatest equipment.

I would be interested, used to shoot B&W film when in school. And now getting back in to it with the purchase of an EOS 3.

I guess in his world you can only have EOSfun if you have the latest and greatest equipment.

Nope. I just said you can find this EOSfun in the alt gear board imo and we don't need a separate new board for it. Since film WAS mainstream in the past but today it is a niche thing for a small minority of photographers.

anthonygh wrote:
EVERY ONE ON HERE NEEDS TO MAIL THE SITE OWNERS and demand a response to film users...AND USERS GENERALLY....

Amazing that this message was needed...What is FM about??


FM is a useful and informative forum that caters to the majority of people interested in photography. That does not include people (like me) who are interested in the ancient and archane discipline of film photography.

P.S. don't shout by typing in all-caps - it doesn't help to get your message across.

jcolwell wrote:
anthonygh wrote:
EVERY ONE ON HERE NEEDS TO MAIL THE SITE OWNERS and demand a response to film users...AND USERS GENERALLY....

Amazing that this message was needed...What is FM about??


FM is a useful and informative forum that caters to the majority of people interested in photography. That does not include people (like me) who are interested in the ancient and archane discipline of film photography.

P.S. don't shout by typing in all-caps - it doesn't help to get your message across.



My message is that despite an obvious demand for this particular aspect of photography and numerous emails to the site owners there has been zero response...maybe someone can justify this on behalf of the management.

PS. What is the title of this forum anyway?

I think apug.org is an incredible resource for those interested in any and all aspects of film photography. I'm not sure a Fred Miranda version is entirely necessary but I would welcome it if it happened. To those that say film is dead, I would disagree pretty securely. I am only 21 years old and use both film and digital in my photography although I probably use a lot more film because I do go to art school. The film process is entirely different than the digital one and there's definitely a sort of personal preference involved but to me there isn't much like stepping into the light and looking at a print and saying "that's it!" With a digital photograph it's a more fiddly process without that kind of building effect that you get from print after print changing one variable at a time.

Also of note is a brand new Fuji 6x7 folder. It will be marketed as a Voigtlander Bessa outside of Japan. should be pretty sweet.

Do you film shooters ever consider the environmental considerations of your hobby? Film manufacture and processing is pretty dirty and now totally unnecessary. Silver compounds, cyanide, chlorine, ugh. I'd like to consider myself a committed environmentalist; these toxic aspect of film kept out of photography for years. What do you do to mitigate the impacts of your film use. What keeps you from going all digital?

MountainTop wrote:
Do you film shooters ever consider the environmental considerations of your hobby? Film manufacture and processing is pretty dirty and now totally unnecessary. Silver compounds, cyanide, chlorine, ugh. I'd like to consider myself a committed environmentalist; these toxic aspect of film kept out of photography for years. What do you do to mitigate the impacts of your film use. What keeps you from going all digital?

Silver is reclaimed from fixer and recycled. Many other darkroom chems are relatively harmless - a little knowledge goes a long way to proper disposal. So in my book, processing really isn't bad.

While film manufacture in the past has been 'dirty' I think companies (Kodak) have cleaned up their act a lot. From what I understand.

More importantly, do you know how environmentally harmful electronics waste is? Lots of heavy metals and other nasty stuff. The amount of electronics (not just digital cameras) that we've gone through in the last 20 years is mind boggling - we treat it almost as disposable. Many of us film types shoot cameras that are 30+ years old. How many digital cameras have you gone through in the last 10?

That totally ignores the large environmental impact manufacturing modern electronics (digital cameras included) has. Dirty, dirty stuff.

MountainTop wrote:
Do you film shooters ever consider the environmental considerations of your hobby? Film manufacture and processing is pretty dirty and now totally unnecessary. Silver compounds, cyanide, chlorine, ugh. I'd like to consider myself a committed environmentalist; these toxic aspect of film kept out of photography for years. What do you do to mitigate the impacts of your film use. What keeps you from going all digital?

It was a long long time ago that cynaide was used in processing...and not film processing anyway.

The only people that totally ignore environmental considerations are the manufacturers...why else would they produce so many models...so many 'upgrades'.....

Still...the 'credit crunch' should deal with that for a few years to come!

I have mailed the moderators and site owner about this being a separate forum and have had no response so I have decided not to waste my time any more......maybe someone reading this knows how to make contact...and has actually done so at some time so knows it's a possibility!

MountainTop wrote:
Do you film shooters ever consider the environmental considerations of your hobby? Film manufacture and processing is pretty dirty and now totally unnecessary. Silver compounds, cyanide, chlorine, ugh. I'd like to consider myself a committed environmentalist; these toxic aspect of film kept out of photography for years. What do you do to mitigate the impacts of your film use. What keeps you from going all digital?

My very first job out of college was a production supervisor in a semiconductor processing plant. Some of the worst land pollution with toxic wastes were later found to be the proceesing locations! Yeah, the places that make your sensors and image processing chips and memory chips!!!

mh2000 wrote:
... doubt I'll hang out there (even if I do sell my digital and only shoot film...).
forum is a good idea... just "film."


Could be a mistake then because some of us have unique experience of converting a 35mm neg into a stunning A3 plus print...for example...

ok, I'd check it out, but there are other forums with long established ties to film and film cameras where people are also scanning and producing large prints... even dedicated printing forums... it just seems to me that FM is more heavily devoted to digital shooters (in fact on numerous occasions I been told here that this is a "Canon DSLR forum," not a "Canon-Mount SLR forum" in response to some of my film based comments.

There are numerous references to film and film gear dotted all over the site...so a dedicated forum seems the logical thing. As it happens, most film users now print digitally so they have a foot in both camps.....and there are other benefits to a cross platform forum. How many film users know...for example...that NoiseNinja can be used to virtually remove grain from a scanned neg to give a lovely effect...without effecting sharpness?

or know of this site:

http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Epson%20V700/page_1.htm

For what it's worth....I used one of my T90s in a shoot during the week and the model is over the moon with the results..I don't know how to put an image on FM so can't post an example,,,she much preferred the film to the digital B+Ws....

yup, after "going digital" for like 5 years I went back to film for b&w.

For the sceptics that believe film is dead...I have been looking to buy an Epson V700 or V750 scanner off eBay...but they are going for silly money..virtually 'new' prices..sometimes...so there is clearly a lot of film users out there willing to invest their cash in this medium...