The diagonal of 30x45 sensor size is 54mm, whereas 35mm is 43mm. Some say the true "normal" lens is equal to the diagonal.

If the size is really between the 5d and 1ds, shouldn't the mirror box protrude out further? The mirror should extend ~6mm further when horizontal.
Jim

ok.
so for the mathmaticians out there...
so with that sensor size of 30 x 45mm and those focal length lenses given what do these lenses equate to in 35mm focal lengths...specifically the 30mm tilt shift and the 24mm ultrawide?

marcwilson wrote:
ok.
so for the mathmaticians out there...
so with that sensor size of 30 x 45mm and those focal length lenses given what do these lenses equate to in 35mm focal lengths...specifically the 30mm tilt shift and the 24mm ultrawide?




Assuming the diagonal of the S sensor is 54mm (I didn't check that figure) then the 30mm T/S would be equivalent to 24mm in 35mm terms, and the 24mm S-lens would be equivalent to 20mm.

Pricing is RUMORED at Euros 25-30,000.

Perhaps there is no mirror box and this thing is not an SLR at all. Otherwise, how could its size be just slightly larger than a 5D? That would allow for some better designed wide angle lenses for sure. Mentioned is a Tilt and Shift 30MM lens and a 24mm. Thats pretty wide on this format. I bet these are not retrofocus designs. Live view and EVF maybe.

jph1 wrote:
If the size is really between the 5d and 1ds, shouldn't the mirror box protrude out further? The mirror should extend ~6mm further when horizontal.
Jim

Conner999 wrote:
Pricing is RUMORED at Euros 25-30,000.

That's very competitively priced. I expect the Leica glass to be equally a bargain.

Conner999 wrote:
Pricing is RUMORED at Euros 25-30,000.


That was my guess!

...than the new standard of 21 or 24MP on FX cameras. FX has a density of 2.4MP/cm3 and this Leica with MX sensor and 37MP has 2.7MP/cm3, which is pretty close, but considered the (almost) double size of the sensor... Great!

marcwilson wrote:
ok.
so for the mathmaticians out there...
so with that sensor size of 30 x 45mm and those focal length lenses given what do these lenses equate to in 35mm focal lengths...specifically the 30mm tilt shift and the 24mm ultrawide?




Not a mathmatician, but I think you would be looking at something like a 24 and an 18 respectively in 35mm ff speak.

Official annoucements will be on this link in a few minutes:

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/photokina-live-ticker/63999-more-leica-photokina-news.html

Thanks Tariq and Molson for those focal lengths.

Very high image quality (i.e. mf d.b.) in a portable body + lens combo is a great addition to the tools available to us but there does come a price point, especially in the current economic climate, where you want the high expense to be more flexible..i.e. usable both as dslr and on a shift camera, as almost all medium format solution currently offer.


The current all in one 35mm dslr solutions work in tandem very well with mfdb's due not only to what they can do but their lower price grouping.
Tying such expense into one system that removes the flexibility of a digital back may or may not be a winner for many.

That said, it can also be seen as a digital version of say a medium format rangefinder such as the mamiya 7 camera..not because it's a rangefinder because of course it isn't, but due to higher than 35mm format image quality in a very portable fairly simple package with exceptional glass.

That's the digital equivalent of the Pentax 67. It was very popular with fashion photographers, but that was all.

edwardkaraa wrote:
That's the digital equivalent of the Pentax 67. It was very popular with fashion photographers, but that was all.

In what way are these equivalent?

edwardkaraa wrote:
That's the digital equivalent of the Pentax 67. It was very popular with fashion photographers, but that was all.

...and aerial photographers due to the faster available shutter speed. I don't think the Leica S will be an SLR. With current technology such as Live View and the much better EVF which are coming from Panasonic(who has close ties to Leica anyway), a mirror is no longer needed and the benefits of not having one are great.

Medium format in an oversized 35mm body. In my opinion, this makes it very useful for fashion, and some landscape work. But it lacks the sophistication of the traditional MF bodies which makes it less of a studio camera.

Tariq Gibran wrote:
I don't think the Leica S will be an SLR. With current technology such as Live View and the much better EVF which are coming from Panasonic(who has close ties to Leica anyway), a mirror is no longer needed and the benefits of not having one are great.

The picture in the magazine shows what appears to be a prism bulge, implying the usual SLR mirror arrangement.

Tariq Gibran wrote:
I don't think the Leica S will be an SLR. With current technology such as Live View and the much better EVF which are coming from Panasonic(who has close ties to Leica anyway), a mirror is no longer needed and the benefits of not having one are great.


No LCD is anywhere close to good enough to focus a 37MP camera with, unless you spend a minute fiddling with a zoomed Live View for every shot. God I hope not...

I'll take EVFs seriously when they have 30+ MP 4" LCD screens

edwardkaraa wrote:
Medium format in an oversized 35mm body. In my opinion, this makes it very useful for fashion, and some landscape work. But it lacks the sophistication of the traditional MF bodies which makes it less of a studio camera.

How can you say it lacks sophistication if it hasn't even been announced yet?

edwardkaraa wrote:
Medium format in an oversized 35mm body. In my opinion, this makes it very useful for fashion, and some landscape work. But it lacks the sophistication of the traditional MF bodies which makes it less of a studio camera.

We don't know that yet. It already looks much more interesting than a Mamiya 645, by virtue of the leaf lenses and the tilt shift, and just the Leica glass is enough for me to take it very seriously.

Of course, just guessing, based on my previous experience with MF. I could be wrong hopefully for Leica

It implies that but there are so many other practical issues which don't jive with this camera being a typical SLR. The size as stated - just larger than a 5D, and the lens selection and body depth. I guess we will know soon. By the way, Panasonic just made a breakthrough with regard to EVF.

foxbat wrote:
Tariq Gibran wrote:
I don't think the Leica S will be an SLR. With current technology such as Live View and the much better EVF which are coming from Panasonic(who has close ties to Leica anyway), a mirror is no longer needed and the benefits of not having one are great.

The picture in the magazine shows what appears to be a prism bulge, implying the usual SLR mirror arrangement.

Sorry, it seems the news feed is on a new thread: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/photokina-live-ticker/64252-live-ticker-vip-event-22-09-a.html

Looks pretty sweet. But, like others have mentioned, the lack of modularity of a removable back (like MFDB) maybe a loser for some. Very cool to see a company develop such a well planned system in so short amount of time.

http://gizmodo.com/5053130/leica-leaks-out-new-high+end-s-system-with-37mp-almost+medium+format-s2-dslr