Interested given all the talk here whether 5D owners are bothering to upgrade to the mkII. I'm not, I don't need 21 megapixels and there is nothing else there to pursuade me to bother, wondering whether other people are bothering and whether they are pro (full time, not I shot my uncles wedding) or amatuer. My thinking is that if you are pro and have lived with the 5D's features until now then there is little to pursuade you. If you're an amatuer then there is more scope, it's hobby money so why not spoil yourself with 21 megapixels.

According to the edited tag above I edited this post in 1970 which is incredible as I wasn't born yet!

Probably, but with very little urgency. Probably coming spring if I do, if not I'll probably skip the 2nd generation.

Ruy

Beni wrote:
According to the edited tag above I edited this post in 1970 which is incredible as I wasn't born yet!

Dude, you invented the internet!

No. I don't do every upgrade that comes out. My 1Ds lasted me for over five years of excellent images. I waited for the mkIII. Saved $8K by skipping the mkII. The 5D is my backup.

No need to.
1DmkIIN for fast job and 5D for "slow"
Do not need 21Mp and... video ... blaaah !
better to buy more nice lens: Zeiss 21mm next year
And waiting PMA and fuel-cell DSLR

Yep, x2.

JP

I might, not really for the resolution, though I wouldn't mind it. I'm waiting to see how much improvement has been made in the high ISO department and dynamic range. A two stop improvement in high ISO usability would be mighty tempting.

Beni wrote:
According to the edited tag above I edited this post in 1970 which is incredible as I wasn't born yet!

I bet this site uses UNIX EPOCH dates

Sorry for the diversion.

The outer AF points of the 5D have let me down countless of times on paid jobs. Up to the point I couldn't work with the 5D anymore, because focus-recompose doesn't work for me. So I sold the bastards (I had two of them). Reading that the 5D2 basically shares the same AF as the 5D gives me enough reason not to "upgrade" to a 5D2.

What for. My current camera is better.

John Power wrote:
What for. My current camera is better.

Those with DsIII need not answer...

Not everyone can afford, or is willing to pay for, the Ds.

No need to criticize the 5Dx for not being up to the same standard.

Ruy

5DII's video is basically a joke, good for photojournalists but useless for real video work.

21 megapixels means zero to me, except less shots on a card and much longer processing time.

IQ remains to be seen, but my current 5D is wonderful.

Higher ISO would be nice, but not if it's done with software (hence less sharpness) instead of a truly improved sensor.

Still no articulating LCD, and no silent mode. I want these desperately, so will wait for the next incarnation.
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My spare $$$ will be going into Zeiss ZE. Absolutely.

I already have a video camera.

I'm waiting for the 5D MKIII with text messaging, mobile web and Tetris.

rhorta wrote:
John Power wrote:
What for. My current camera is better.

Those with DsIII need not answer...

Not everyone can afford, or is willing to pay for, the Ds.

No need to criticize the 5Dx for not being up to the same standard.

Ruy

I am not evaluating the 5D2 based on a direct comparison with the 1Ds3. If I compare it to any cam, it will be original 5D. And although I loved the 5D's IQ, and probably will love that of the 5D2 too, I couldn't stand working with the 9 point AF... Especially not when using the outer AF points in not so great lighting.

Furthermore, the 5D felt sluggish and unresponsive. Not a big of a deal when you are shooting landscapes or studio work, but for my needs definitely too slow. So, we will see if the 5D2 is as sluggish and unresponsive as the 5D. But the odds are against it.

I am looking for an usable and portable back-up cam. I don't care for the 21MP's... I wish it had 15MP's... I don't care for the high ISO's because I won't be shooting wildlife or sports with it... I don't care for the crippled AF... I think Canon went really cheap on this one... If they took some more time they could at least have made all the 9 AF points cross types (so that focus stays on an eye when using the outer AF points) and added the 6 assist points as well. I think they were caught by surprise by the current Nikon and Sony offerings and had to re-act too quickly.

Don't get me wrong here... The 5D2 will be an excellent cam for landscape/commercial/studio photography, where a crippled AF is not so much of a big deal. For a more dynamic approach to photography the 5D2 is basically reduced to an one point AF cam IMO. But at least you will be able to compensate for this because the 5D2 has plenty of pixels to crop...

The only thing I really wish my 5D had, that the 5D II will have, is that sweet, bright 'n high rez LCD. Don't need the extra MP, LV, HD QT, ISO past 3200 and have never had dust problems. Well, if the MK II had ECF I'd be on Amazon's waiting list...

Incidentally, I've always found 5D AF works great for me. I can't see calling the same AF in the MK "crippled."

If it had an articulating LCD I'd probably break it off like the one on my old point 'n shoot. Bad idea...

I would love to get the 5DII, but I think I would be better off upgrading a few lenses first -- namely getting my mitts that new ZE 21/2.8 -- I will also probably end up with a 70-200 f/4IS first as well.
Paul

Whattaya' figure the chances are that Canon has a 3D almost ready for prime-time, at a price of around $3500?

I'm betting on it. If not at Photokina, then within the next 6 months.

They almost HAVE to release such a beast. Maybe they want to get some user-feedback on the video thing for a while, and tweak that technology further for the new camera, so they give us a really inexpensive 5DII now, as an experimental stop-gap model, and are holding back the really earth-changing camera..

Maybe next year, I am not in a hurry. I'll wait for the reviews and for the rebates.

My 5D still can make beautiful pictures

I am a bit dissapointed about the AF, I hoped for a few more af points (15-20) all cross type and wider spread.
I do not really need 21 mp, lets see how the IQ turns out. Is it the same sensor as the 1Ds3 with the ( as reported by some ) relatively strong AA filter ?
I am still hanging on to my 20D for when I need higher pixel density ( macro, tele for birding) , the 5D2 has the same pixel density as the 20D so I could do with one camera.
Sensor dust reduction is nice ofcourse, live view sounds nice for macro.

Gochugogi wrote:
Incidentally, I've always found 5D AF works great for me. I can't see calling the same AF in the MK "crippled."

I guess it depends on your personal shooting style and shooting conditions. The 5D center AF point is/was excellent (albeit a bit too unresponsive for my taste), but the outer AF points were totally unreliable... especially in AI Servo but even in One Shot.

For example, when I focused with the most outer AF point in vertical position (using a 85L @ f/2.8 - One Shot - indoor lighting) on an eye (when doing up-close static portraiture) focus ended up on the ears (even though the AF confirmation was on the eye) in 50% of the time (probably even more than that). AI Servo with the outer AF points made no sense at all. I was lucky if I got 15% in focus shots.

My other options were to focus-recompose with the center AF point (which worked with smaller apertures and only in One Shot) or to focus manually. If it is no problem to do just that, there is no problem indeed. Unfortunately that didn't work for my personal style of shooting most of the time. So, because I am an outer AF point kind of shooter, I experienced the 5D AF as crippled and therefore restrictive. YMMV

Probably early next year, considering my 5D is 3 years old.

ArtRider wrote:
No need to.
1DmkIIN for fast job and 5D for "slow"
Do not need 21Mp and... video ... blaaah !
better to buy more nice lens: Zeiss 21mm next year
And waiting PMA and fuel-cell DSLR

Same here, but I will be looking at the new Zeiss ZE 85mm...

I'm upgrading. Here's why:

-I love the detail 21 mp provides. (Please dont flame me on this its very obvious when you look in lightroom at a 5D image and a 1Ds Mk 3 image the advantage of more megapixels, also I print very very large)

-The weather sealing is an excellent bonus as I am outside quite frequently.

-Live view (at first I scoffed at this but after using it with a 1Ds Mark III its actually quite useful in certain situations although I still much prefer looking through the lens.

-Highlight tone priority (I shoot a ton in the snow)

I don't use autofocus that much so the AF isnt a big concern to me.

I'm selling my old 5D to a friend with some accessories so if the price is $2700 I only pay $1300 for the upgrade. I cant wait

rhorta wrote:
John Power wrote:
What for. My current camera is better.

Those with DsIII need not answer...

Not everyone can afford, or is willing to pay for, the Ds.

No need to criticize the 5Dx for not being up to the same standard.

Ruy

The poll was specifically directed at owners of the current 5D, I wanted to see if the megapixels were enough to make people upgrade given that the rest of the camera save a few tweaks is exactly the same as the old one.

I won't be upgrading my 5D for the MkII. The extra features I do not need and are definitely not worth the extra money (£1000 difference here in UK) to me. The video option is not something I would ever use. The improved display would be nice but if I am in doubt about a shot I re-take it, no big deal with digital.
The money will be better invested in new glass.

Just my thoughts, I notice that here in UK on Amazon the price of the 5D body has increased...wonder if they are expecting lots of people to go for the MkI ??

Cheers,
Paul.