The same 5D AF is not acceptable.
Gonna pass and wait for something better

didn't vote, but mine would have been...

"i want it, but waiting for the cash"

Daan B wrote:
Xavier Rival wrote:
I am a bit upset the gapless sensor technology did not make it to full frame sensors yet.

I think Canon went the cheap way... They have got the 1Ds3 sensor laying around (and probably did some heavy investments on it's development). So they figured... Let's put the 1Ds3 sensor in a xxD body and we will have a hit... Nothing wrong with that of course...

hmm accoridng to other sites RG is wrong and the 5dmkii does use gapless technology as well as other improvements (moe than he listed) so the sensor doesn't, at all, appear to be held back and it should absolutely rock!

Ok guys, I quote the AF description from Dpreview:
"Precision focus and metering
A 9-point auto focus system is supported by 6 additional invisible Assist AF points, located inside the spot-metering circle to optimize subject tracking performance in AI SERVO AF mode. For accurate exposure readings in tricky lighting conditions, the spot metering circle covers just 3.5% of the frame."

We can now say it is not the same AF than the previous 5D

Another thing, as skibum5 says, the sensor is a brand new one and it seems it uses gapless technology too.

Yohan Pamudji wrote:
Same. Exact. AF. They didn't bother to even make the outer AF points cross-type. Wha, wha, whaaaat

According to the 5D MK II specs all 9 AF points are cross type. Maybe you read the old specs for the EOS 5D?

From dpreview specs:

• 9-point TTL CMOS sensor
• 6 "Invisible Assist AF points"
• All points cross-type for lenses of F5.6 or faster
• Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
• AF working range: -0.5 - 18 EV (at 23°C, ISO 100)

3.9 fps and 13 frames Raw burst? I get 3fps and 17 frames Raw and 15 with + jpeg now. I would have like 5fps and at least 20 Raw, 17 with jpeg. LCD better....yes that is good. They don't seem to have a better camera after 3 years then they should have............something is missing.........

3.9 fps and weak AF. It may not be the same AF but the AF in the cams other than the 1 series has been a real let down.
They may have improved it but I bet it's not pro AF.

controlit wrote:
Looks great...I sold my 5D for a 1ds Mark II due to focusing problems in low light. I hope the focus system is much better in the 5D II..

Sold my 5D for a 1DII because of the same thing. I cant understand why Canon did not put 40D/50D AF to 5DII. Would have been very interested about 5DII if they did.

EaglesPhoto wrote:
3.9 fps and weak AF. It may not be the same AF but the AF in the cams other than the 1 series has been a real let down.
They may have improved it but I bet it's not pro AF.



i guess geoff's long post was correct.
he said new AF is reserved for 1seriesmarkiv, 60D and perhaps 5dmkiii whenever hopw many more years that comes out

EaglesPhoto wrote:
3.9 fps and weak AF. It may not be the same AF but the AF in the cams other than the 1 series has been a real let down.
They may have improved it but I bet it's not pro AF.



And why would Canon give you the same AF as the $8000 1Ds3 for $2700? I dunno, the old 5D AF worked great for me, can't say I'm disappointed they merely upgraded it to all cross-type sensors. They work great on the 40D and are bound to be even better in this newer rendition. Why fix it if it ain't broke. Looks like a perfect landscape and travel camera. If you need a gun slinger tank 'o camera the 1D series is readily available.

Does anyone here make money shooting? Just curious... I can hardly find anything wrong with my current 5D's with 99% of what I shoot for clients. If the MKII works near as well as the current 5D, I think they have a real winner.

Sure.. if you shoot in the elements or sports you would need something more robust...(for that I use a 1DMKIII), but in reality (at least for me)...the current feature set works fine and has made me 20X the ROI. Will I get one of these...Probably so. My current 5D has a lot miles on it and keeps going strong after 3 years...It needs a replacement... I think this body will be a huge hit for studio and wedding/low-light shooters that don't necessarily require the 1D feature set at over twice the cost.

I am confused why so many people are poo poo'ing this camera already... very odd.

Oh one other thing... in the master thread, there is 2 different links directly to Canon offical documentation that both state 9 Cross-Type AF + 6 invisible assists. Basically, the 40D AF not the current 5D AF system.

Time will tell (of course).

Good luck.

Andrew

torwinen wrote:
controlit wrote:
Looks great...I sold my 5D for a 1ds Mark II due to focusing problems in low light. I hope the focus system is much better in the 5D II..

Sold my 5D for a 1DII because of the same thing. I cant understand why Canon did not put 40D/50D AF to 5DII. Would have been very interested about 5DII if they did.


You silly goose:

From dpreview specs:

• 9-point TTL CMOS sensor
• 6 "Invisible Assist AF points"
• All points cross-type for lenses of F5.6 or faster
• Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
• AF working range: -0.5 - 18 EV (at 23°C, ISO 100)

torwinen wrote:
controlit wrote:
Looks great...I sold my 5D for a 1ds Mark II due to focusing problems in low light. I hope the focus system is much better in the 5D II..

Sold my 5D for a 1DII because of the same thing. I cant understand why Canon did not put 40D/50D AF to 5DII. Would have been very interested about 5DII if they did.


Funny.. my 5D easily outperformed my 1D MKIIN in low-light focusing (in One-Shot with center AF point). That is how I primarily use it so it works well for me. The MKII series definitely was better in Servo... I did just the opposite and sold my MKIIN... I have a MKIII now and still use my 5D more at weddings than any other body I have owned.

Andrew,

I make my money shooting weddings, and was basically looking for a D700 with an EF mount, as were a lot of people, the ISO will rock my socks I'm sure, but the 9 point AF system from the 40D is barely accurate in ISO1600 light, I just can't see it coping in ISO6400 light (let alone 25,600!!!!)

THAT is why we're poo pooing it!

Chris

im going to hold off my judgment on the cameras auto focus until i read some decent reviews or get to try one out.

Chris Beaumont wrote:
Andrew,

I make my money shooting weddings, and was basically looking for a D700 with an EF mount, as were a lot of people, the ISO will rock my socks I'm sure, but the 9 point AF system from the 40D is barely accurate in ISO1600 light, I just can't see it coping in ISO6400 light (let alone 25,600!!!!)

THAT is why we're poo pooing it!

Chris

+1

If the AF isn't accurate enough you won't be getting the most out of your 21MP's. Your files would be very big, but wouldn't hold any more detail than the current 5D. When driving up the ISO's on top of that, it could become very messy... You just can't see IQ as a stand alone feature... it is just as related to the sensor as to the AF (among other things)

S_Herr wrote:
im going to hold off my judgment on the cameras auto focus until i read some decent reviews or get to try one out.

Try shooting with a 40D

And why would Canon give you the same AF as the $8000 1Ds3 for $2700? I dunno, the old 5D AF worked great for me, can't say I'm disappointed they merely upgraded it to all cross-type sensors. They work great on the 40D and are bound to be even better in this newer rendition. Why fix it if it ain't broke. Looks like a perfect landscape and travel camera.

Maybe because their competitors did?
We all don't have 8000 for a camera.
If you need a gun slinger tank 'o camera the 1D series is readily availableExactly the point readily available for almost three times as much.

Seems like a lot of folk here expect to get everything (bar the grip) that a 1-series offers for a third the price. Ain't gonna happen people, get used to it.

Chris Beaumont wrote:
Andrew,

I make my money shooting weddings, and was basically looking for a D700 with an EF mount, as were a lot of people, the ISO will rock my socks I'm sure, but the 9 point AF system from the 40D is barely accurate in ISO1600 light, I just can't see it coping in ISO6400 light (let alone 25,600!!!!)

THAT is why we're poo pooing it!

Chris

Current 5D works great for me and a lot of other photogs I work with every weekend at ISO 1600...
If shooting Servo, I'd agree...But one-shot AF...Can't say that I have been disappointed in the least bit. Every bit as accurate as my MKIII (sometimes better...but lets not go there..)


Just sharing my experiences over the last several years. YMMV of course.

Depends on the street price, And how much the 5D Comes down in price. I proberly will get the 5D Mk II though.

It does look ok though, I think Canon might release a 3D sometime next year though. (1D Mk III And 1Ds Mk III Merge into one camera, And a 3D Replaces the 1D Mk III in the lineup). But thats my prediction and I'm not trying to start new rumours so soon!

Oh, now here's a surprise. Boy, I NEVER saw, or predicted, this half a loaf coming...

Same old stuff, same old business model. Another "churn'em and burn'em" release from Canon. provide only what you have to to stay "reasonably" competitive, slap a sensor in there, jack the price, and wait for another couple of years until you have to do something...

OK, so we know the IQ will be OK, but how's this for an insult... wait for it... 3.9 FPS...What, they couldn't manage to give you a whole 1 frame so they give you .9? Are they F'ing kidding?

98% VF coverage... gotta stop short of making it right... Gotta protect that 1 series camera at $8k...

They did nothing I really wanted them to do.

Same old AF for all practical purposes. Slow FPS, no 100% VF, they put the worthless dust shaker in (my judgment from 1 series ownership experience), and they added video... yeah, that's gonna help...

I'm leaving this on the shelf for quite a while.... Nikon really is looking good

Lord Fluff wrote:
Seems like a lot of folk here expect to get everything (bar the grip) that a 1-series offers for a third the price. Ain't gonna happen people, get used to it.




I'm so tired of this hackneyed load of tripe. Does this come right out of a phrase book you guys have when you see people less than satisfied with a "sensor + bare minimum" rehash of an old product...

Most people are willing to pay more for a professional level camera in a small body, including me. And if you think that these disposable cameras are worth $8k at the 1Ds level, I've got a bridge to sell you...

Same AF? Miss. I'll wait, or switch if Nikon rolls out some new wide primes.

Edit: I'm with Jamesf99. I'm willing to pay more money for a full featured 5D, a mini-1-series if you will (digital EOS 1v).

I do really think that some people should consider selling their gear and going with another brand. Life's too short to be "short changed" year after year and then complain about it on FM year after year.

That said...I have done my fair share of complaining about my MKIII experience...but that wasn't based on feature set...but rather faulty implementation or who knows what for several months...

I have no doubt this 5D MKII (barring any fiascoes) will be one of the most popular dSLR bodies Canon has ever released. Especially, amongst current wedding shooters that are looking to replace their current aging 5Ds...

I am also the kinda guy that likes the bigger bodies too. Coming from a video background, Any sized SLR is no problem holding all day. I despise camera straps and pretty much just go with wrist ones anyway...along with grips on the XXD bodies. But I am crazy like that. hehe