Really?
You might be "incorruptible". But its easy to exhaust you ;-)

Ralph, I have to mostly agree, let's wait for the 5D2, hopefully it will compete well with the D700.


Ralph Conway wrote:
Fred Relaix wrote:
I quit disagree here. IMHO D700 is now both the top photojournalist and top entry pro camera (until the 5D2 is out that is). D3 probably best sport camera righ now. Despite the 50D which looks awesome, the D300 remains a top crop factor camera. The 1ds3 is the top pro camera indeed, but we should see soon very strong competition with the D3x and the Sony alpha900.


Nogo. 50D is well set against D300. The 5D follow up will be the competitor making D700/D3 without chances again. Those maybe, what you called top photo journalist pro cameras. D300 is just a high priced semipro.

Photojournalist will/may use the D700/D3. There is no other offer from Nikon.
And they compete against 1D MK III (because of that AF problem). If that would not have happened 1D would already be the well established No 1 for journalists. At D700 (& BG) pricelevel.

Before last year Nikon did not had any competitors concerning IQ and price. They have now 2 systems: D3/D700 and D300/D90. Based on IQ. The D300/D90 already lost again. I would not spend a couple of hundreds of $ more for "not state of the art IQ", weather sealing and goodies like grids or horizon line. And I would not want to save $ two hundred in purchasing a plastik body and a sensor 1generation back ().

The D3/D700 in IQ compete against a 3 year old standard set from Canon. The 5D follow up will be presented around photokina. And it will set a new level of IQ again. Its father still beats Nikons late answer in resolution. And still competes in standard ISO. Even it uses the 4 year old Digig II prozessing engin, while Nikon through in their actual know how. Easy to expect, that in two weeks Canon will blow away those competitor in any point concerning IQ again, too.

What drives me grazy, is the permanent complaint of canon users about a new follow up, not having enough advantages to upgrade and "making my just bought stuff worthless".

If nikonians can wait for years to get competitiv gear and purchase it, the new Nikon strategie seems to me to be "kicking their customers asses" by adding a "new" product half a year later at equal features but much lower prices. Pros may not mind about D3/D700. Semipros who spend € 1700 for a D300 will now, after D90 is offered for € 700 less using the same technologie.

It must have been a bad feeling for Nikon to introduce D90 oneday after 50D knowing it can not compete exept in Videomode and knowing too, that D300 is out of race again.

Ralph

Monito wrote:
Fred Relaix wrote:IMHO D700 is now [...] top entry pro camera (until the 5D2 is out that is).

No, the 5D is almost half the price of the D700.


Actually that is not true.

Currently, at Amazon.com, the D700 is $2999 and 5D is $2299.

You can not compare amazone prices. Here in germany their old stuff is always much overpriced, than street gives you. The street price here in germany is € 1800 compared to € 2500.

so you are right anyway
Its not true!

Ralph

Here is the US, Amazon.com prices are VERY competitive. Equal or better than all the major photographic equipment outlets like, B&H, Adorama, Calumet, and others. These are Amazon.com US prices. I am aware the situation in Germany and other countries might be different.

The current prices for 5D are not half the price of a D700 in the US ($2299 vs $2999) -- even when the effective price of a 5D dipped to around $1800 with rebates and special package deals it never sunk as low as half the D700 price in the US.

Any idea when the 5DII will be announced?
I'm finding it hard to wait in light of
the Nikon stuf.

This money is burning a hole in my pocket and has to get out.

Please continue this discussion in the new Canon 5DII rumor thread. Thank you!
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/681818