September 16th.

5d will be discountinued in favor of

7d same as 50d but FF 16.7 mp single CF card slot

3d same as 7d but with 18mp and weatherized a baby 1 series 100 percent VF,dual CF card slots

IMO it will be announced soon. But they don't want to shadow the yet-fresh 50D announcement.

I'd say today, tomorrow or early next week.

For the fun, there are a few bugs in some of the web pages of the Japanese Canon site that show that the 50D announcement page was actually made end of July
And I could be wrong but according to the behavior of some pages (can't tell more) it seems it will be named 5D mk II (and not 7D) - the behavior could just be just a coincidence(?).

digitalbug30d wrote:
5d will be discountinued in favor of

7d same as 50d but FF 16.7 mp single CF card slot

3d same as 7d but with 18mp and weatherized a baby 1 series 100 percent VF,dual CF card slots


I don't understand this idea at all. Why would Canon even release the "7D" then? It would make more sense if the "7D" is the now released 50D, and the "3D" is going to be what many others (and youself) speculate.

The difference between the "7D" and 50D is just ~1.5 mps? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me for them to even release that.

netminder0 wrote
The difference between the "7D" and 50D is just ~1.5 mps?

7D would be a FF as opposed to a 1.6

EOSFUN knows!!!!! He is always correct;
The longer Canon waits the more their audience would get the impression that the full frame for all of us strategy didn't work, and even Canon concluded it is only a niche of the market. If one reads Canon's statetement at introduction of the 5D and white paper info on full frame technology you will understand why this is not their strategy. Canon invested over hundreds of mio $ in factories in OITA for the production of CMOS sensors amongst that full frame sensors. With Sony definitely making the entry in the full frame market and Nikon eating in the pie of the FF market since a while Canon will present their next full frame amateur camera soon! If you are a pro, or have a press invitation for the meeting you'll definitely learn more september 22, 11.00 AM in Koeln Germany. It's definitely gonna be an EOSfun meeting!

you know it seems as if canon now is now playing the catch up game, before it was canon who had all the goodies. Now it seems as if canon is trying to keep up with nikon. Don't get me wrong i'm a canon shooter myself but its seems that canon got too laid back. I think for a 5D replacement to be just as good as the d700 will not be good enough of a canon move. This would still have them lagging in this catch up game. I feel as if canon is going to come out or needs to come out with something big, a 5Dmk2 that will have nikon drop jaw or at least i'm hoping with all this nikon/canon releases it has really got me excited on what and who will release something next. what's next?

netminder0 wrote: The difference between the "7D" and 50D is just ~1.5 mps?

No. First off, the camera may or may not exist and if it does it has not been announced.

Second, megapixel tunnel vision is a serious disease. Cures are available. Avail yourself of them, please.

herby wrote: you know it seems as if canon now is now playing the catch up game,

Nonsense. Canon has the top pro camera (1Ds3), top photojournalist camera (1D3), top entry pro camera (5D, yes, still the best bang for the buck), top crop factor camera (50D), and least expensive entry level camera (350D).

The difference between the "7D" and 50D is just ~1.5 mps? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me for them to even release that.

I'll add to your question another to the OP of that rumor: does the original poster of this 3D / 7D specs have any clue of the cost of production line for sensors? Can he explain why Canon would invest to have an 18Mp sensor line AND a 16.7 MP line at the same time for just two camera's that cover less than a few percent of the market?

Second, megapixel tunnel vision is a serious disease.

But megapixels count. There is no substitute for megapixels. The 100 megapixel camera is only a few years from now. I predicted that when the 3MP D30 was upgraded to the 6MP D60. At that time, with no multi MP digibacks, people told me we never needed so much MP. But now, a little more than 5 years after the D60 upgrade we are here. Around 15 MP has become mainstream already, 5 times over that first D30. Keep in mind the 1Ds (classic) was the Hasselblad killer (film-era), so why wouldn't Canon (and others if they like to step up the podium) be pushing the envelope to levels of performance like the Leaf, Sinar or Phase One Digibacks, which have become around 50MP now. In fact Canon showcased their 50MP full frame sensor already behind the doors of some technology shows. Really the MP race is no disease, this is technology evolving. We want more megapixels because the more pixels the more EOSfun

Soon..... vewy vewy soon.

There will be no 5DII ever.... a new name like 7D will come (II stands for DIGIC genre) so please stop refering to the new Canon prosumer FF SLR as 5DII. On the other hand keep in your mind about the new MarkIV that will come next year with x1.3 and FF capabilities.

dvarnav wrote:
There will be no 5DII ever.... a new name like 7D will come (II stands for DIGIC genre) so please stop refering to the new Canon prosumer FF SLR as 5DII. On the other hand keep in your mind about the new MarkIV that will come next year with x1.3 and FF capabilities.

What?

Wow....a 1D MK IV with DUAL sensors Why didn't they think of that before

Hmmm...if that one gets announced I'll eat me hat.

Wow....a 1D MK IV with DUAL sensors

Probably the mythical 3D camera Canon and stereophotography, hmmm that could be EOSfun. Enjoy your hat!

Could bring out a new line of "3D" lenses and combine the images in some sort of way that requires those sexy red and green goggles from c. 1989!.....

.....and I will, it's a Natcho hat ;-)

Monito wrote:
herby wrote: you know it seems as if canon now is now playing the catch up game,

Nonsense. Canon has the top pro camera (1Ds3), top photojournalist camera (1D3), top entry pro camera (5D, yes, still the best bang for the buck), top crop factor camera (50D), and least expensive entry level camera (350D).


I quit disagree here. IMHO D700 is now both the top photojournalist and top entry pro camera (until the 5D2 is out that is). D3 probably best sport camera righ now. Despite the 50D which looks awesome, the D300 remains a top crop factor camera. The 1ds3 is the top pro camera indeed, but we should see soon very strong competition with the D3x and the Sony alpha900.

Fred Relaix wrote:IMHO D700 is now [...] top entry pro camera (until the 5D2 is out that is).

No, the 5D is almost half the price of the D700.

Fred Relaix wroteespite the 50D which looks awesome, the D300 remains a top crop factor camera.

Not as good as the 50D, and I'm certain the 50D will whomp the D300 in image quality. It would do that even if the megapixels were equal, which they are not.

Fred Relaix wrote: The 1ds3 is the top pro camera indeed, but we should see soon very strong competition with the D3x and the Sony alpha900.

Well, ... mythical cameras and unannounced cameras ...

I have an mk3 myself and handsdown to the 8k 1ds3. But honestly I shoot with guys with nikon d3 and d300 all day. Nikon D3 kicks my mk3 butt all day long, better ISO better WB and better SCREEN with all this so much better why is the mk3 priced more than the D3..I know people say screen don't matter but in reality it does matter. Not only that its price is 3k less than 1ds3. The only reason why i'm still with canon? i've got too much canon gear to switch. I'm also waiting on the canon new release, hoping that and crossing my finger that it will actually be above nikon head so I don't have to switch..hahahah..really I love my mk3 and I think that canon IQ still rocks but what's up with the cheap screen? hehehe whoohooo go canon.

5D mark II will probably be announced in September. Here is the most reliable specification until today. If this is true, then we can wait another month or two

Dr. Ray wrote:
I'm purdy sure she'll be announced Sept 16.
Where is this comming from? why 16th of september?!
my bet is on 22 september: first day at Photokina... don't ask why, if they kept it such a big secret for this long, they got to have a big unveiling.
I'm sticking with canon for now, but only if the new 5D has more fps and better rendering in high iso than D700.... which is very likely to happen.

Etadam wrote:
IMO it will be announced soon. But they don't want to shadow the yet-fresh 50D announcement.


2 totally different cameras... this only applied to D700 being launched much later after D3, so Nikon would sell alot of D3's

Go Canon! bring us a full-frame miracle this autumn!

5DMKII done, but waiting for 100-400L MKII that will be announced together

Monito wrote:
Fred Relaix wrote:IMHO D700 is now [...] top entry pro camera (until the 5D2 is out that is).

No, the 5D is almost half the price of the D700.

Fred Relaix wroteespite the 50D which looks awesome, the D300 remains a top crop factor camera.

Not as good as the 50D, and I'm certain the 50D will whomp the D300 in image quality. It would do that even if the megapixels were equal, which they are not.

Fred Relaix wrote: The 1ds3 is the top pro camera indeed, but we should see soon very strong competition with the D3x and the Sony alpha900.

Well, ... mythical cameras and unannounced cameras ...


The d3/d700 trumps both the 5d and the 1d Mk III in many peoples eyes, canon DOES have the 450d and the 1ds Mk III though I'll give you that :P

Fred Relaix wrote:
I quit disagree here. IMHO D700 is now both the top photojournalist and top entry pro camera (until the 5D2 is out that is). D3 probably best sport camera righ now. Despite the 50D which looks awesome, the D300 remains a top crop factor camera. The 1ds3 is the top pro camera indeed, but we should see soon very strong competition with the D3x and the Sony alpha900.


Nogo. 50D is well set against D300. The 5D follow up will be the competitor making D700/D3 without chances again. Those maybe, what you called top photo journalist pro cameras. D300 is just a high priced semipro.

Photojournalist will/may use the D700/D3. There is no other offer from Nikon.
And they compete against 1D MK III (because of that AF problem). If that would not have happened 1D would already be the well established No 1 for journalists. At D700 (& BG) pricelevel.

Before last year Nikon did not had any competitors concerning IQ and price. They have now 2 systems: D3/D700 and D300/D90. Based on IQ. The D300/D90 already lost again. I would not spend a couple of hundreds of $ more for "not state of the art IQ", weather sealing and goodies like grids or horizon line. And I would not want to save $ two hundred in purchasing a plastik body and a sensor 1generation back ().

The D3/D700 in IQ compete against a 3 year old standard set from Canon. The 5D follow up will be presented around photokina. And it will set a new level of IQ again. Its father still beats Nikons late answer in resolution. And still competes in standard ISO. Even it uses the 4 year old Digig II prozessing engin, while Nikon through in their actual know how. Easy to expect, that in two weeks Canon will blow away those competitor in any point concerning IQ again, too.

What drives me grazy, is the permanent complaint of canon users about a new follow up, not having enough advantages to upgrade and "making my just bought stuff worthless".

If nikonians can wait for years to get competitiv gear and purchase it, the new Nikon strategie seems to me to be "kicking their customers asses" by adding a "new" product half a year later at equal features but much lower prices. Pros may not mind about D3/D700. Semipros who spend € 1700 for a D300 will now, after D90 is offered for € 700 less using the same technologie.

It must have been a bad feeling for Nikon to introduce D90 oneday after 50D knowing it can not compete exept in Videomode and knowing too, that D300 is out of race again.

Ralph

Ralph Conway wrote:
Fred Relaix wrote:
I quit disagree here. IMHO D700 is now both the top photojournalist and top entry pro camera (until the 5D2 is out that is). D3 probably best sport camera righ now. Despite the 50D which looks awesome, the D300 remains a top crop factor camera. The 1ds3 is the top pro camera indeed, but we should see soon very strong competition with the D3x and the Sony alpha900.


Nogo. 50D is well set against D300. The 5D follow up will be the competitor making D700/D3 without chances again. Those maybe, what you called top photo journalist pro cameras. D300 is just a high priced semipro.

Photojournalist will/may use the D700/D3. There is no other offer from Nikon.
And they compete against 1D MK III (because of that AF problem). If that would not have happened 1D would already be the well established No 1 for journalists. At D700 (& BG) pricelevel.

Before last year Nikon did not had any competitors concerning IQ and price. They have now 2 systems: D3/D700 and D300/D90. Based on IQ. The D300/D90 already lost again. I would not spend a couple of hundreds of $ more for "not state of the art IQ", weather sealing and goodies like grids or horizon line. And I would not want to save $ two hundred in purchasing a plastik body and a sensor 1generation back ().

The D3/D700 in IQ compete against a 3 year old standard set from Canon. The 5D follow up will be presented around photokina. And it will set a new level of IQ again. Its father still beats Nikons late answer in resolution. And still competes in standard ISO. Even it uses the 4 year old Digig II prozessing engin, while Nikon through in their actual know how. Easy to expect, that in two weeks Canon will blow away those competitor in any point concerning IQ again, too.

What drives me grazy, is the permanent complaint of canon users about a new follow up, not having enough advantages to upgrade and "making my just bought stuff worthless".

If nikonians can wait for years to get competitiv gear and purchase it, the new Nikon strategie seems to me to be "kicking their customers asses" by adding a "new" product half a year later at equal features but much lower prices. Pros may not mind about D3/D700. Semipros who spend € 1700 for a D300 will now, after D90 is offered for € 700 less using the same technologie.

It must have been a bad feeling for Nikon to introduce D90 oneday after 50D knowing it can not compete exept in Videomode and knowing too, that D300 is out of race again.

Ralph


Wow... that was almost like a comprehension test... I'm exhausted!