mgipe wrote:
The automatic vignetting adjustment is interesting. I wonder if this is just for jpegs, or if they compensate RAW files too.


JPG only, although like the Picture Styles, it will attach info to a RAW file so DPP will apply the setting to a RAW file.

I wonder if there is a viewfinder issue with the 800mm f5.6?

You will have partly viewfinder vignetting which is a horizontal kind of vignetting because the mirror is 'too short' for focal lenghts above 600mm. The 1Ds mirror is bigger and has no issue like VF vignetting. Not really a big issue since most owners of an 800mm or above probably will have the means to buy themselves into the EOSfun of having a 1D series.

elader wrote:
I have owned like 20 lenses and only had one that significantly front focused. Can you imagine the measurbating this will cause??

Yeah, it's going to be a newspapers and cats' whiskers clusterf** around here in a few months time

Alek Komarnits wrote:
Good idea to have a "sticky" thread - nice work guardian ...

BTW, I asked this in the other thread, but haven't seen anything definitive on it, but when you are doing playback on the 40D, I'm pretty certain the camera is using a down-rezzed image, so it's very hard to determine if the focus was tack sharp. With the 50D's higher resolution screen (finally!), I'm hoping that when you full zoom in, you are seeing actual pixels from the hi-res original.

Edited by Alek Komarnits on Aug 26, 2008 at 02:12 PM GMT

If the 50D is like past Canon cameras, and if you shoot RAW, then the camera uses a lower resolution JPEG embedded in the RAW file for previews. For JPEGs, it should use the actual full resolution image, but perhaps someone else can confirm this? I would think that RAW+JPEG would preview the full resolution JPEG.

According to the Rob Galbraith write-up, Canon is preparing a 50D white paper, which might answer this question.

Any word on price or is it free with a fill up at Exxon?

walter23 wrote:
Yeah, it's going to be a newspapers and cats' whiskers clusterf** around here in a few months time



I do believe you're missing a * there.

Andrew Dale wrote:
walter23 wrote:
Yeah, it's going to be a newspapers and cats' whiskers clusterf** around here in a few months time



I do believe you're missing a * there.

Well to be really technical, only one * would have sufficed too.

whats a cluster star?

I Canon's focus adjust works they just saved a ton of in-house costs generated at the service centers.
As for the lucky ones who never had a bad lens. I envy you. I have confirmation from canon on my bad luck.

mikekel wrote:
Any word on price or is it free with a fill up at Exxon?



B&H now has the 50D on their website for $1399.95

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBnDEx9lQCQ

Anybody speak Dutch?

A few words. Like LCD and Megapixel. Oh and camera! Anyone else weirded out a little by the poster behind them? For the first few seconds I thought it was the guy filming through the Live View haha.

I noticed that you can pre order the 50D on B & H's website for $1399. with expected arrival in October. I wonder if the 40D will drop more in price since I'd like to buy one. Anyone selling their's to upgrade to the 50D?

I think the 50D looks exciting. Also on a Canon press conference in Norway they said two more EOS cameras were coming this fall. Should be interesting..

K

walter23 wrote:
elader wrote:
I have owned like 20 lenses and only had one that significantly front focused. Can you imagine the measurbating this will cause??

Yeah, it's going to be a newspapers and cats' whiskers clusterf** around here in a few months time


For many of us Mark III owners, this has already become a problem. Especially, when the focus shifts depending on the conditions. No amount of M/A fixes "constant inconsistency".


See latest example here.

digitalbug30d wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBnDEx9lQCQ

We're guests today at the introduction of the 50D from Canon, a new SLR designed (built..) for the demanding amateur but also for the professional user who wants a back-up body with a high speed. Here in front of me is Hans Smittenaar, with Canon.
Q:Can you tell me what kind of camera has been introduced today?
A:Well, it is a special day today b/c we have introduced the 50D, an expansion of our line-up, not meant as a replacement of another model, which maybe is surprising. The 50D is an important camera that covers the middle segment. It is meant to bridge the gap between the 40D and the 5D. There are a few important changes in this model; a new sensor, a new Digic IV processor, the same seals as the 40D. We aim at the semi-professional or the advanced amateur or can be a back-up camera for a professional, especially nature photography, sports photography because of the speed, 15MP at 6.3fps do we expect that in those segments this camera will be embraced with open arms. Because of this, this is a good day for us. This segment is becoming very important. If you look at the total DSLR, there is the entry segment, where earlier this year we introduced the 1000D and the 450D and the middle segment at the moment is about 22% of the total (DSLR market, ed.) and we notice lots of growth, and the expectation is that within two years, that middle segment will increase to 30% market share.
Q: What does this mean for sales of the 50D? Is that a camera of which you have a sales prognosis?
A: Of course. It is not easy to predict the success, b/c competition has increased dramatically, there are far more special offers, far more models. Because of that, this is a strategic model for us so we are armed to face the competition. Now, this looks like a weapon, with which we look to increase our market share. We are still the leader with 41%, but it is obvious that Sony and Nikon are very active. Which is good for us; it enables us to set our targets higher and keep coming up with new products.

(Turns to next Canon dude)
Q: ?.. Bart, technical specialist with Canon Netherlands, the 50D, what is, technically speaking, so special about this camera?
A: It is our newest development, it contains the newest version of the Digic processor, the Digic IV which is undoubtedly faster than its predecessor and because it is faster, and has 1.5 times the resolution of the 40D and uses a different algorithm which results in better noise control at higher ISO values. At the max ISO of 12800 and 3200 ISO as standard (ed: that's what he said...) I have seen the internal comparisons and they are very promising. I won't jump ahead to what conclusions testers might offer but I have full confidence in the results. In addition, there is the live view screen which we know from previous models, now with face detection for 35 faces. We show one face, but with controls you can switch to other faces in the finder. And those are things that are possible with a faster processor.
Q: At the back of the camera, we see that the LCD is new? Still 3" but with a far higher resolution.
A: Yes, far higher with 920,000 px. This was challenging as with a higher resolution, brightness and contrast is hard to maintain in bright sunlight. This new Clear View LCD contains several coatings which uses reflected light to the advantage of the viewer. A higher resolution also meant that we could use different fonts for the menus which increases viewing pleasure. FOr the first time, this is a screen from which you can establish focus accuracy, good colour reproduction in direct sunlight. Cameras in this class have a limited viewfinder, meaning not 100% as you would expect in a professional camera, but for a camera with this size sensor the size of the VF is optimized. We have long surpassed the point at which you can focus manually. The resolution of cameras is so high that even with a 100% FF the accuracy is not optimal. We noticed that professionals with 5D-like cameras who work with a DOF of a few milimeters the focus missed, and that current AF systems are so good that this works better.

(My note, not part of the translation: his comments absolutely made no sense to me. I think he put his foot in his mouth here...)

Q: A very high resolution in the camera, that demands quite a bit from lenses. Is this camera compatible with all lenses Canon offers?
A: Yes, this camera is designed for EF-S lenses, which is a special series which is smaller and lighter but other AF lenses can also be fitted. 15 Megapixel, current state of technology demands quality lenses.
Q: So better an "L" series lens than a normal lens?
A" An "L" lens has no doubt a higher quality, however for example a 17-55 f2.8 has optically the same qualities. It is built differently, it is an EF-S lens, but optically I can recommend that kind of lens.
Q: The camera has a HD connection. Does that mean the camera is fully compatible with the HD standard?
A: Yes, it is. As you may know, most flat screen TV's sold in the Netherlands is at least HD ready and cameras have a resolution that far surpasses the HD resolution so it makes sense that one will be made to fit the other and so you can enjoy the fantastic images you created with your camera on your HD tv set. This connection allows anything you see on the LCD, the menu, the Live View, a review of the images, or a slide show you can start from the camera to be seen in the resolution of the HD TV. If you have a full-size HD TV, the camera automatically switches to the full-size HD resolution. (Interviewer interjects "it is auto-sensing"). (Nods..) Auto-sensing. There is a brief communication, which you can see, and it is the TV that determines in which resolution the viewing will be done.
A: That means on a normal HD TV the resolution is 1280 and on a full HD it will be 1920..
Q: 1920. Certainly. And if you see the difference between the standard connection which has been present on cameras for years, well, the difference is astounding. A regular TV simply will not show the clarity or the colours. HD is the solution and it fits the camera and the experience that belongs with such a camera.
A: Thank you.

I look at Phils list of What's New in the 5D and I find it very impressive. Gapless microlenses, more controls, better high ISO. This is great news for all the new Canon camera that are coming.

You mean 50D. I think it's a tremendous upgrade. For some reason people are still expecting canon to add more pro features in a prosumer camera.

I was trying to say the 5D replacement(s) will be great. And think of the next one series with two digic fours doing -200mps.

I don't know about pro or prosumer. Nine focus points are fine if the system is good. All these cameras are water sealed pretty well now. I think the negatives are way overblown at times. I think the feature list is fantastic. If the pixel quality is actually good with 15mp on an aps-c sensor, future full frame cameras are going to be fantastic.

A super high density sensor like the 50D makes a lens like the 300/2.8 into a true long lens. All kinds of benefits from the new sensors if Canon has improved pixel density as much as they are indicating.

Well time will tell if there is a significant improvement in IQ of in focus images with this camera.

My disappointment (as much from what it likely means for the 5D successor as for this camera) is that Canon still hasn't got it about the AF. Nikon can put its top of the line AF module in a sub US$2000 camera and a US$3000 full frame camera. But so far canon hasn't caught on...

Let me spell it out for any Canon marketers who are reading. Serious hobbiests and I would expect all pros want consistent, accurate, Auto focus (unless their are MF only guys). Listen carefully guys and gals...

There is ZERO Image Quality in a misfocused image

I'm not saying that all my images (with a 20D) are misfocused, far from it (and some misfocus is user error, I readily admit) but I would say that consistently accurate AF is top of the list for me (and I suspect a number of others) to upgrade. (Followed by 1.5 to 2 stop improvement over my 20D's high ISO noise performance in lighting conditions way south of 5000K and a more distant third a few more MP's for group photos and landscapes)

Now maybe I will be pleasantly suprised at Photokina or whenever Canon tries to catch up with Nikon in this area but I am not holding my breath.

BTW that's four 1.6X crop models in a year. So I don't think Canon is giving up on this segment yet for those who have disdained EF-s lenses.

I am sure there will be something wrong with it like err99 etc. I would love to get one but my 40D works great

Thanks for the translation Marcel.

CKrueger wrote:
So, lets see some high ISO samples!

From the Canon website, here are the sample photos.

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/eos50d/eos50d_sample-e.html

There is an ISO1600 picture (sample photo 4), but it is in pretty good light (1/8000 at f/8 which translates to 15EV), so it may not give an accurate indication of high ISO noise in low light, but it is better than nothing.

QLuong wrote:


There is an ISO1600 picture (sample photo 4), but it is in pretty good light (1/8000 at f/8 which translates to 15EV), so it may not give an accurate indication of high ISO noise in low light, but it is better than nothing.

Yeah, I guess to me the question is how well is it going to do when I have to colour balance for some pretty ugly dull flourescents or stage lighting etc. That's where my 20D really starts to breakdown. I'm interested to see how this camera performs around the iso1600 to 3200 mark under those kind of conditions. Even though its only the second of my upgrade priorities it is still quite an important one.

I'm probably more likely to look for a full frame to add to my 20D than a crop, though.