No no, if you piss and moan that means your in the know and have a life

Beni wrote:
It's what seperates the pro's from the amatuers, especially those amatuers who keep screaming 'go out and take photos' while pros are shooting more in a day than they shoot in a month.

The only thing that separates the amateurs from the pros is money/fees earnt. I retired at the ripe old age of 40 & am able to travel to locations that some pros dream about in pursuit of my hobby. I don't care a stuff whether people like my photos- or my gear. If I do & someone else does that is a bonus for us both. I donate photos to organisations such as Birds Australia & conservation organisations & that keeps me & them happy. If you & other pros do not like this put your money where your mouth is & earn your fee. For the price of a 1DsIII I can take 3 trips to India or 4 to Bali or 8 to the Broome Bird Observatory. I always attempt to better my last good shot of the subject in the viewfinder. Sometimes this is achieved, sometimes it is not & this is why I am hooked on the art. I do not deny pro gear may further my chances of achieving this but a divorce would be far more expensive. I agree with the sentiments of the poster plodding on happily with what I have. This does not mean upgrades to Canon pro gear will not be considered & Nikon do not enter the equation.





Edited by Tony B on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:36 PM GMT

Tony B wrote:
Beni wrote:
It's what seperates the pro's from the amatuers, especially those amatuers who keep screaming 'go out and take photos' while pros are shooting more in a day than they shoot in a month.

The only thing that separates the amateurs from the pros is money/fees earnt. I retired at the ripe old age of 40 & am able to travel to locations that some pros dream about in pursuit of my hobby. I don't care a stuff whether people like my photos- or my gear. If I do & someone else does that is a bonus for us both. I donate photos to organisations such as Birds Australia & conservation organisations & that keeps me & them happy. If you & other pros do not like this put your money where your mouth is & earn your fee. For the price of a 1DsIII I can take 3 trips to India or 4 to Bali or 8 to the Broome Bird Observatory. I also suggest a few lessons in spelling instead of camera gear. Poor spelling is lack of attention to detail, a requisite of a pro photographer. I always attempt to better my last good shot of the subject in the viewfinder. Sometimes this is achieved, sometimes it is not & this is why I am hooked on the art. I do not deny pro gear may further my chances of achieving this but a divorce would be far more expensive.

PrecisionPhoto wrote:
piss moan piss moan

You forgot complain....it is called PMC...piss, moan, complain

Poor spelling is lack of attention to detail, a requisite of a pro photographer.

Sheesh, logic like the above mentioned indicates somebody probably didn't pass Logic 101! Folks with poor spelling usually suffered poor schooling at the secondary level. Some may have learning disabilities or, like many on this board, are not native speakers of English. They can still be great artists or photographers. The point here is writing skills have nothing to do with photographic ability or success.

I wasn't actually expecting the 50D being a year since the 40D so when Canon indicated a new release to be announced on the 26th i think i and many others fairly assumed it would be the 5D upgrade. From that perspective i was a little deflated and i thnk surely Canon knew that would have been the expectation.

However as far as the 50D itself is concerned i think it is an exciting camera. I used to have the 20D and i still love how that feels in the hands with a grip. I shoot manual so don't want a thousand bells for my use. just a good working camera and image quality is more important to me so 15 megapixels is fantastic.

I really like the new Nikons and am really excited that they are also producing great cameras but let's keep this in perspective. Canon has had a significant lead over Nikon in terms of digital cameras so Nikons current crop represent a long overdue catch up.
Canon have been making better cameras for years and despite that Nikon made huge upgrades Canon had not needed to make huge changes to stay competitive.

The 50D is the closest thing you will get to seeing image quality comparable to previous 1Ds series camera yet and the price tag will no doubt be very affordable.

Very exciting stuff.

Gochugogi wrote:
Poor spelling is lack of attention to detail, a requisite of a pro photographer.

Sheesh, logic like the above mentioned indicates somebody probably didn't pass Logic 101! Folks with poor spelling usually suffered poor schooling at the secondary level. Some may have learning disabilities or, like many on this board, are not native speakers of English. They can still be great artists or photographers. The point here is writing skills have nothing to do with photographic ability or success.

Look at Forest Gump (did i spell that correctly?).

coryconklin wrote:
PrecisionPhoto wrote:
piss moan piss moan

You forgot complain....it is called PMC...piss, moan, complain


+ 10

Logic is not my forte. Only figures.
Forrest Gump. Coach Bryant" That kid may be the stupidest son of a bitch, but boy, he can run."



Edited by Tony B on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:04 PM GMT

Tony B wrote:
"Poor spelling is lack of attention to detail, a requisite of a pro photographer."

Gochugogi wrote:
Sheesh, logic like the above mentioned indicates somebody probably didn't pass Logic 101! Folks with poor spelling usually suffered poor schooling at the secondary level. Some may have learning disabilities or, like many on this board, are not native speakers of English. They can still be great artists or photographers. The point here is writing skills have nothing to do with photographic ability or success.

Good point, but does no one find irony in the fact that Tony's poorly-written sentence suggests that pro photographers are required to have a 'lack of attention to detail' in order to be successful?

Touche! And now deleted.

jscoby05 wrote:
Man is this a Nikon forum, every seems to absolutely be hating the new 50D. Every single complaint under the sun has been mentioned, undeservedly I might add. When the D300 and 40D squared off everyone said:

And now, a year later, when Canon adds SOME of the features of D300 (many of which the Nikon line has had for years), and no innovation of their own, oddly enough, many shooters are underwhelmed.

I think Canon made a major leap forward in technology.

Indeed?

Can you quantify that?

ericvgill wrote:
And now, a year later, when Canon adds SOME of the features of D300 (many of which the Nikon line has had for years), and no innovation of their own, oddly enough, many shooters are underwhelmed.


I guess the new sensor just fell from a tree and landed right into the lucky hands of a Canon marketeer?

So predictable...glad I logged on and spent 120 seconds on the whole mess. If I was being paid to write this illogical dialogue, I would be fired.

I miss the old days of the board...I think some things just have a timeline or lifeline to them...kind of like the theory of shelf life...this board is way past its expiration date. Kinda smells...

Oh, well - one of the hazards of being 51, I guess....you can smell the BS a mile away.



Ben

Emile Gregoire wrote:
[I guess the new sensor just fell from a tree and landed right into the lucky hands of a Canon marketeer?

Odd that you should mention Canon marketing and jamming more megapixels into the next generation camera. Do you believe they're related?

ericvgill wrote:
Emile Gregoire wrote:
[I guess the new sensor just fell from a tree and landed right into the lucky hands of a Canon marketeer?

Odd that you should mention Canon marketing and jamming more megapixels into the next generation camera. Do you believe they're related?

Yes I do believe they're related. I also believe that the sensor didn't fall out of a tree but was engineered - by Canon that is. Sure looks like innovation to me

Can't really agree - innovation is something new, not escalating the megapixel race. Effective in-camera stabilization was innovation. Live view that uses the standard AF points is innovation. Artificial horizon is innovation. Grid lines that don't require swapping the focusing screen is innovation.

The last real innovation from Canon I can recall would be an extra stop of native high-iso - but they then released several more cameras without it.

<shrug> I probably wouldn't complain if Canon simply cribbed the cool developments from everyone else and kept pushing sensor technology. But that isn't happening, either.

I'm not a pro, just a hobbyist.

I agree with most of the assertions jscoby05 has about the 50D.
But I think that the "whining" about camera specs and performance is more of a "wish list" from those of us who can't afford a pro level camera.

The most illogical complaint about the 50D is the lack of pro AF. This camera is marketed on the Canon website as an "advanced amateur digital SLR," not a pro camera. If this camera had pro-level AF and weather-sealing wouldn't it be a virtual twin of the Canon 1DSmkII?
I think Canon expects pros to pay for the top equipment and not settle for the amateur goods, go figure.
The Nikon D300 is more money and is marketed as a "Pro-level DSLR" on the Nikon website.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the 50D actually performs, and I think this bodes well for what the much anticipated 5D replacement will offer.

ericvgill wrote:

Can't really agree - innovation is something new, not escalating the megapixel race. Effective in-camera stabilization was innovation. Live view that uses the standard AF points is innovation. Artificial horizon is innovation. Grid lines that don't require swapping the focusing screen is innovation.<snip>

You can now add HD video to that list...

"haters"? Have you been listening to "Stronger" too much?

It looks like a very nice camera.

Yeah, what are we? Poms?

In the years I've been reading the Nikon and Canon forums, I find a heavy dose of complaining by both users. Some complaints reads like idle bitching while others seems to be born out of a passion for photography and camera gear. I'm certain that both Nikon and Canon react to its customer base, so expressing a camera's shortcomings can't hurt. But, I don't see much good in pitting Nikon/Canon users against each other, which, IMO, this post does. Better to applaud the D50's features you like--assuming you have actually used the camera. Just looking at spec sheets doesn't tell the whole story.