Russ Isabella wrote:
This place needs an "I will never be happy with a Canon offering" forum. Seems to me that the complainers are looking for what is in effect a 1DsMKIII for under $1900. Even then, I suppose there'd be complaints, since it's heavy, has too many megapixels, too slow a frame rate, no mRAW, buffer fills too fast, only one cf card slot, small focus points.... On top of that, you all seem to think that Canon should be hanging on your every word! Great entertainment value. Now, back to reality...

Russ Isabella wrote:
This place needs an "I will never be happy with a Canon offering" forum. Seems to me that the complainers are looking for what is in effect a 1DsMKIII for under $1900. Even then, I suppose there'd be complaints, since it's heavy, has too many megapixels, too slow a frame rate, no mRAW, buffer fills too fast, only one cf card slot, small focus points.... On top of that, you all seem to think that Canon should be hanging on your every word! Great entertainment value. Now, back to reality...

This post deserves a gold medal.

gml1 wrote:
Is it unrealistic for Canon users to ask for a D300-equivalent?
I'm truly happy for the 1D users but for some of us this is just a hobby, you know.



if i was doing it just as a hobby, i'd be happy with my old 20D.....

Russ Isabella wrote:
This place needs an "I will never be happy with a Canon offering" forum. Seems to me that the complainers are looking for what is in effect a 1DsMKIII for under $1900. Even then, I suppose there'd be complaints, since it's heavy, has too many megapixels, too slow a frame rate, no mRAW, buffer fills too fast, only one cf card slot, small focus points.... On top of that, you all seem to think that Canon should be hanging on your every word! Great entertainment value. Now, back to reality...

I had to laugh a bit at this one...

VisualPerceptions wrote:
Does this mean 6 more months of 5DII speculation threads if one isn't released next month? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Nikon and Sony will provide a lot of entertainment (& angst) in good measure

Russ Isabella wrote: Seems to me that the complainers are looking for what is in effect a 1DsMKIII for under $1900.

I think what most people want is Canon to offer a camera that competes with what other companies are offering... or here's a thought, maybe even come out with something BETTER than what the competition is offering.

Russ Isabella wrote: On top of that, you all seem to think that Canon should be hanging on your every word! Great entertainment value. Now, back to reality...

You're right, why should they listen to us, we're only the customer.

Silly people. You'll buy whatever Canon decides to make it and you'll like it and keep quiet about it!!

Edited by timnosenzo on Aug 22, 2008 at 02:55 PM GMT

I wonder what would be considered to not be a piecemeal incremental improvement?

ISO 3200->12000
10MP -> 15mp
microadjust, autodynamic whatever it's called
better LCD

OK, I would love a pro AF system, but it isnt happening. What else in a $1000 body?

You know, Canon really needs a $2000 pro-like body and a $3000 FF body

timnosenzo wrote:
You're right, why should they listen to us, we're only the customer.

Silly people. You'll buy whatever Canon decides to make it and you'll like it and keep quiet about it!!

Does Honda listen to you often? General Foods? Exxon?

RikWriter wrote:
David Baldwin wrote:
But there again, like the sources of these rumours, I don't know what I'm talking about either.


The source of this rumor is Canon's own website. Do they not know what they're talking about, even though it's their company?

Notice there was no pictures of the 50D on the website. I suspect it's a hoax. If it was 12MP, then it would be more believable but 6.5FPS @ 15MP in a prosumer body? Really doubt it.

elader wrote:
Does Honda listen to you often? General Foods? Exxon?


I definitely think Honda listens to its customers, considering how successful they are and how high their customer loyalty is...

VisualPerceptions wrote:
RikWriter wrote:
David Baldwin wrote:
But there again, like the sources of these rumours, I don't know what I'm talking about either.


The source of this rumor is Canon's own website. Do they not know what they're talking about, even though it's their company?

Notice there was no pictures of the 50D on the website. I suspect it's a hoax. If it was 12MP, then it would be more believable but 6.5FPS @ 15MP in a prosumer body? Really doubt it.

Why?

elader wrote:
I wonder what would be considered to not be a piecemeal incremental improvement?

ISO 3200->12000
10MP -> 15mp
microadjust, autodynamic whatever it's called
better LCD

OK, I would love a pro AF system, but it isnt happening. What else in a $1000 body?

You know, Canon really needs a $2000 pro-like body and a $3000 FF body

what about better AF? what about weather sealing? what about triggering external flash guns with the built in flash? what about letting the body AF with F8? what about mirror lock up button or least a button that can be programed? what about a grip that actually sits right and has all the buttons? what about more Dynamic range instead of more MP?

as you can see, i am not impressed by the new specs

and btw, i am also not looking for a 1DsmkIII specs for $1000 but if Nikon can give us so much for $1500, i don't see why Canon can't.

blonde wrote:
what about mirror lock up button or least a button that can be programed

It's called the SET button and LiveView. Simply disregard the live view.

stanj wrote:
It's called the SET button and LiveView. Simply disregard the live view.

+1.

Or, use the live view for critical focus. It rocks!

Yeah, the new specs sound good, but where's a built in MP3 player?

elader wrote:
I wonder what would be considered to not be a piecemeal incremental improvement?

ISO 3200->12000
10MP -> 15mp
microadjust, autodynamic whatever it's called
better LCD

OK, I would love a pro AF system, but it isnt happening. What else in a $1000 body?

You know, Canon really needs a $2000 pro-like body and a $3000 FF body

if the ISO stuff pans out it would be huge, i bet the top one is for sRAW or as overly optimistic as Nikon is about high iso's (they even had an 'ISO6400' cam out liek decade ago)

10MP->15MP IF it works out well is pretty substamtial

microfocus adjustment is very nice (easily could've been in 40D already though, still could with a firmware update)

LCD is nice but doesn't really affect your results at all

10x zooming into taken images (if i read thsi correctly) is very nice (again they could've put this in years ago though)

IF stuff pans out it is a very nice and pretty substantial upgrade, even huge, but without testing hard to say, in most ways

AF sounds like a tragic mistake though....
that was the single thing i'd most wanted to be updated and not a minor point at all.... can only hope that the single center point is at least 1dmkiin-like and has some of the adjustment parameters in firmware (oviously it won't have expansion points and all that so it'l be trickier to use, but hopefully if you use it well it'd be close to what using single point on 1dmkiin would be and don't say that is crazy since nikon lets you get their top AF for a few hundred extra)

edit: according to some rumours the ISO is same per pixel noise as a 40D (and better per frame) so that might work out well
AF sounds like the more modest upgrade though


Edited by skibum5 on Aug 22, 2008 at 05:08 PM GMT

Look at the time line, the 40D has been out for 1 year. I don't honestly think that it's going to be replaced right now, maybe a half a year, but who knows, I could be wrong. It's happened many times before.

However, there's the crowd that wants all of the 1 series features, in a camera that's 1/4 of the cost. We all want cheaper, yes, however it's unlikely that it would happen. What Canon is just going to shit on its customers that bought their cameras at X price, less than a year ago, and offer them something that's entirely better, across the board, for the same starting price?

I can't see it happening.

Scenario;
The 40D comes out. You buy it, but wait, in one year, you could buy a 50D that has 3200, 6400, and 12800 ISO, more mega pixels, and micro adjustment of lenses, for the same price. Gee thanks, that would really make you want to continue dealing with the company.

I'm all about competition, because competition breads innovation, and an increased market. That means, more comparable products are released, and you can get more features for the dollar. That's ultimately what it's about.

I bought my 40D, and instead of bitching about the features that it didn't have, I used it for the features that it DOES have. Same with my 30D.

As for companies hanging on every word, no they shouldn't hang on every word, because the general thing would be, give me a 1dsMK3 for 1000$ kitted with a 16-35, 24-70, and 70-200 or something else ridiculously heinous, but what companies should do is listen to their consumers, complaints (reasonable ones) and praises, and go from there. Then take a look at the market, and see what the competition is offering/innovating.

If Canon releases this, with these specs, 1 year after they did the 40D, I'll be both surprised, and miffed.

We'll see when it happens/if it happens.

abam wrote:
if there's going to be a 40D successor in the immediate future, it's likelier to be more of the 40Dn ilk than 50D (call it what you will).

canon might give minor tweaks to the 40D, such as the 12MP sensor from the 450D, but 15MP and ISO12800? i'm skeptical.




Edited by abam on Aug 22, 2008 at 10:15 AM GMT

Google up Crave, the gadget blog (www.crave.net): It's real, very real.

Johnny, Do you have a more specific link than the crave website? My quick search there turned up nada ...

Less than a year for the 40D, I bet its real. It was a real Canon web site and I doubt someone is going to hack into that to post something like this. It will be announced within a week.

rjk55425 wrote:
Less than a year for the 40D, I bet its real. It was a real Canon web site and I doubt someone is going to hack into that to post something like this. It will be announced within a week.

More than a year for the 30D to 40D and more than a year to now (it's the 22nd, the 40D was announced the 20th).

That said, I honestly wouldn't put it past someone to hack the site. Why else would they take it down so fast? Why Canon China, and not Canon every-freakin'-where-else?

Robert, there is no reason to get miffed at canon for bringing out better cheaper cameras. Just be glad you were not in the market for dslr's when the d30 was being replaced...

I really do not doubt that 50D may be released just 1 year after 40D but I still cannot understand why Canon did not upgrade 30D for 1.5 year. I was certain that 30D (or 20D mkII) would not last longer than a year. I know that I sound silly but I am still upset about 30D and Canon's unpredictability.

I guess back when 30D was around, Nikon didn't put much pressure on Canon. Now that Nikon is all of a sudden gaining market share, Canon will have more frequent camera body updates.

Stunnaz wrote:
I guess back when 30D was around, Nikon didn't put much pressure on Canon. Now that Nikon is all of a sudden gaining market share, Canon will have more frequent camera body updates.

... or more substantial ones