You wouldn't want body IS...EVER!!! Every camera lens combination needs different IS that is the reason why it is built into the lens not the camera. I don't remember exactly why, but I have heard canon reps talk about this issue specifically.

In reality, you wouldn't want to see body IS, your IQ would go down. So hopefully we will never see this from canon.

Cbass

...not that the 50D matters, i've already purchased my last 1.6 camera (40D), because i would imagine that in a couple of years, when my 40D and 5Ds are about to go tango-uniform, a true 'full frame 40D for under $2K' will probably be available (even it's from nikon sony or pentax).

There you go. Smart man. Hold your current gear and wait for what we should have. It's all really good enough to do what most of us need.

abam wrote:
...not that the 50D matters, i've already purchased my last 1.6 camera (40D), because i would imagine that in a couple of years, when my 40D and 5Ds are about to go tango-uniform, a true 'full frame 40D for under $2K' will probably be available (even it's from nikon sony or pentax).

Sebastian Kk wrote:
You wouldn't want body IS...EVER!!! Every camera lens combination needs different IS that is the reason why it is built into the lens not the camera. I don't remember exactly why, but I have heard canon reps talk about this issue specifically.

In reality, you wouldn't want to see body IS, your IQ would go down. So hopefully we will never see this from canon.

Cbass

There's no doubt that in lens IS is superior to in body IS, but I still wouldn't mind having an in-body IS system for all my non-IS lenses, as that still would be superior to no IS. I'd love to have IS for my Rokkor 58mm f/1.2...I could shoot in near total darkness!

Honestly,
You really think adding more megapixels wont help sell cameras?
Look at the 12mp 1/1.8" point and shoot cameras - think those lenses can resolve that many points?
Sure the diffraction limit will come into play, but you need to remember that if you can gain more DOF and still resolve more than you could with the last camera, your still ahead of the game. There is nothing canon can do about physics..

And dont forget, not EVERYONE buys EVERY camera. 1000$ for "an upgrade"? that also includes THE CAMERA
just because to YOU this is an upgrade, this may be some peoples first SLR.

RGS65 wrote:
There you go. Smart man. Hold your current gear and wait for what we should have. It's all really good enough to do what most of us need.

abam wrote:
...not that the 50D matters, i've already purchased my last 1.6 camera (40D), because i would imagine that in a couple of years, when my 40D and 5Ds are about to go tango-uniform, a true 'full frame 40D for under $2K' will probably be available (even it's from nikon sony or pentax).


+1

as long as we continue to hype up these new cameras, and convince each other that they're worthy upgrades, canon will continue to do stuff like this. there's nothing revolutionary here- assuming that these specs are true of course. the 50d will still take pictures and when you print these pictures they will look virtually identical to what the 40, 30, 20d can (still) produce.

Sounds great. Great pixel density for bird phoptpgraphy. Anyone who does not think more pixels are a good thing does not own a 1DS-mk3 and print large.

Micro adjust focus, another thing that is absolutly essential for long lenses where Canons standard focus tolerances are inadequate. My calibrated 500f4 still needs 8 clicks to get right on my also calibrated 1DS-mk3.

No in-body IS. Good, I don't even like lens IS that much, especially below 400mm. I either use a tripod or very high shutter speed.

I just hope the AF is better than the 20D I had, or the 5D. I would be happy with just one AF point that worked right since I always use center point anyway.

I can see getting this camera for my 500 and never removing it. That way I might be able to keep my 1DS-mk3 sensor a bit cleaner.

Sebastian Kk wrote:
You wouldn't want body IS...EVER!!! Every camera lens combination needs different IS that is the reason why it is built into the lens not the camera. I don't remember exactly why, but I have heard canon reps talk about this issue specifically.

In reality, you wouldn't want to see body IS, your IQ would go down. So hopefully we will never see this from canon.

Cbass

You've been sold by the Canon marketing hype surrounding this issue. I'm reminded of a quote by Herbert Spencer:

“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”


I have investigated this matter however, and found Pentax's in-body IS to be more effective at longer focal lengths than Canon's in-lens IS:

K10D, Center crop, 450mm equivalent, handheld at 1/20th:

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The 50D site was up for all of 1 day, then it was pulled down.

10D announced, Feb 27 03
20D announced August 19th 04
30D announced Feb 21st 06
40D announced August 20 07

Rebel 300D announced 20 August 2003
350D announced Feb 17 05
400D announced August 2006
450D announced Jan 24 2008
1000D announced June 2008

Going from the timeline, I wouldn't expect a 50D to be announced, just yet. The 40D has been out for just 1 year!!!

I don't know enough about microns and what not, to comment on the specs. But, to me, it looks like there's way more specs to this camera, than the price point would allow. So either expect a jump in price on the XXd series, meaning the same demographic won't be buying into them, or expect this to not turn out.

My mother used to tell me, wish in one hand....well, I'm sure you've got this one. She also used to tell me, if it sounds too good to be true...

Someone said that website, is the website Canon uses to leak their information. Heck if I know. Why would the leak it in China first? Everyone says the 5D is due for replacement, but you've got to figure out if the 5D was a one of run, or if it's going to be a series, ala rebel, XXd, or 1D series. If that's the case, this step up in specs, may very well be a new 5D.

I guess we'll see rumor threads like these, until photokina or Canon's press conference. And either they confirm it, or not...and if not, then it will appear like this.

"I just bought a 50D"
"Should I buy a 50D or wait for a 60D"
"50D announced in 10 days"
"50D announcement tomorrow"

The list goes on.

I do have a question though, did anyone who read the Chinese page notice if it had a direct print button?

15.1 megapixels, ISO 12800 ??

C'mon, I doubt even the projected 5D Mk2 will have such a good specification, let alone the 40D replacement.

These "specifications" are obviously untrue. The in camera IS is enough to reveal this as a wind up.

Perhaps this 50D will sport anti-flying pig technology.

If these is a new 50D this year (and that is a big "if"), it will be around 12 megapixels, with a max ISO of 3200 - no expanded range.

But there again, like the sources of these rumours, I don't know what I'm talking about either.

David Baldwin wrote:
But there again, like the sources of these rumours, I don't know what I'm talking about either.


The source of this rumor is Canon's own website. Do they not know what they're talking about, even though it's their company?

Hello RikWriter

Well, if the original page WAS genuine then I am making a prize chump of myself, but I am very skeptical about the posted specification.

I own the 40D, just under a year old. Its a great camera, but I have explored its High ISO mode and am not that impressed. This sensor is no where near ramping up to ISO 12800, at 10 megapixels, let alone 15!!! For such an advanced performance we would need a new order of sensor, something we have never seen before IMHO.

I don't see any justification for saying that sensor technology has jumped forward so dramatically in such a short time.

Of course I am ready to eat my hat if proved wrong (!) but the published specification is so far in advance of anything on the market at present that I am doubtful.

Best wishes

David Baldwin wrote:
Hello RikWriter

Well, if the original page WAS genuine then I am making a prize chump of myself, but I am very skeptical about the posted specification.


I saw the page before it went down. If it was a forgery, it was a very clever one, given the web address.


I own the 40D, just under a year old. Its a great camera, but I have explored its High ISO mode and am not that impressed. This sensor is no where near ramping up to ISO 12800, at 10 megapixels, let alone 15!!!

I have the 40D as well and I share your opinion of its high ISO performance. However, nowhere did it say the 12800 ISO would be very good. I can easily see Canon making it available and putting in some software tweaks to make it half decent, but not caring if it performs that well. They seem, lately, to be all about the numbers...megapixels, ISO numbers, fps, etc...rather than quality.

As someone pointed out earlier, if ISO 12800 is available at reduced resolution only, say 4MP as sRAW2 file, then it starts making sense again... Kind of...

Hello RikWriter,

Well, I hope I am wrong. Usable ISO 12800 would be great.

Is it just me, or doesn't it seem a bit early to be releasing a 50D? I have my doubts about this one...

David Baldwin wrote:
15.1 megapixels, ISO 12800 ??

C'mon, I doubt even the projected 5D Mk2 will have such a good specification, let alone the 40D replacement.

These "specifications" are obviously untrue. The in camera IS is enough to reveal this as a wind up.

Perhaps this 50D will sport anti-flying pig technology.

If these is a new 50D this year (and that is a big "if"), it will be around 12 megapixels, with a max ISO of 3200 - no expanded range.

But there again, like the sources of these rumours, I don't know what I'm talking about either.


Dude, I saw it on canons site with my own eyes.

It does NOT say in camera IS. It mentions IS lenses.

It's not an 'IF' now.

15.1mp with ISO 12800 capability is well within reach, especially considering that it's a whole new gen of DIGIC.

Man this forum has really turned into either conjecture or general pessimism (that's not targeted 'directly' at you David, more of a general observation).

I don't believe Canon would jump the MP up 50%...I guess time will tell

Jman13 wrote:
I want to know what people who are disappointed expect on a prosumer camera. The 40D already has more features and such for a prosumer body than any other prosumer body Canon has ever produced. Heck, my 30D has everything that I need to make the images I like to take, so honestly, this looks very nice. If they managed a new sensor tech or a processing algorithm that can yield quality images at ISO 12800, that'd be HUGE. What exactly, do you want? And if you say 45 point AF and weather sealing, you're dreaming, as there would then be essentially no differentiation between the prosumer line and the pro line. (it's one of the reasons I think the Nikon D700 was a bad idea...there's no practically no reason to buy the D3...they must have destroyed D3 sales with that camera.)



the D300 has the D700/D3 AF too....

Sean,

"that's not targeted 'directly' at you David, more of a general observation"

No, fair play to you. I have obviously read so many Canon speculation threads that I appear to have finally reached saturation point. My fault, I shall avoid speculation threads in future until my equanimity returns!

On a more cheerful note, by wife just authorized my purchase of the projected Canon 5D Mk2, so I hope Canon bloody well release one soon!

Best wishes

No worries, I generally stay out of these threads (watch but don't contribute much).
I just see some small irony in the, somewhat justified, outcries about canon's recent lack of innovation. Then to see specs on their site of a new camera, people going one of 2 ways
A.) that sucks, it's just anther piece meal increment, more of the same fodder as before

or

B.) That's not even possible, no way!

It's just perplexing.

If the 5D2 has a similar feature set to the 50D I would be thrilled. Probably wanting for some better AF and more frame coverage (not necessarily more points) with the AF, but still thrilled the same. It would make a lovely back up / suppliment to my Ds3.

Anyways just seems we should relax a little on our judgement of specs from a cam whose results we have yet to see.

Cheers guys!

"...wife just authorized my purchase of the projected Canon 5D Mk2..."

and that's all that really matters, david. the MkI was/is a really nice camera, so i can only imagine what its successor will offer. (outside of dust reduction, live view, micro-adjustment, pixel boost, ISO boost, etc.)


cheers

This place needs an "I will never be happy with a Canon offering" forum. Seems to me that the complainers are looking for what is in effect a 1DsMKIII for under $1900. Even then, I suppose there'd be complaints, since it's heavy, has too many megapixels, too slow a frame rate, no mRAW, buffer fills too fast, only one cf card slot, small focus points.... On top of that, you all seem to think that Canon should be hanging on your every word! Great entertainment value. Now, back to reality...

Is it unrealistic for Canon users to ask for a D300-equivalent?
I'm truly happy for the 1D users but for some of us this is just a hobby, you know.