PC or Mac????
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jmphotography
Registered: Mar 01, 2005
Total Posts: 102
Country: United States

I am currently a PC guy for my photography business. I build my own PC's. Currently have a Core2Duo 6700 with 4g of ram. I am mostly doing photoshop CS3 and some business apps like Quickbooks pro. I am thinking of going to an imac. Can anyone share any experiences, either positive or negative? I guess my biggest drawback is the investment in software that I currently own in PC.
Thanks



pontmercy
Registered: May 09, 2004
Total Posts: 692
Country: United States

mac for me, but then, I got my first one in 1987 and have been on them ever since. My first job in graphic design/art direction at an ad agency in 1992 macs were all they used and still mostly do. I love aperture, use quickbooks and adobe CS3 premium.



bdickers
Registered: May 23, 2003
Total Posts: 544
Country: United States

Leopard, the current Mac operating system, has a built-in utility called bootcamp, which will allow you to install XP on a separate partition on you hard drive. You can then run your windows-specific software in a native windows environment on your Mac.



pix-l
Registered: Aug 17, 2007
Total Posts: 4
Country: Netherlands

Well as a PC guy (and former Mac guy, because I can't afford 'm)

When you want to experiment, build and fool with software buy a PC,
otherwise a Mac. At least that was true when I was a Mac guy....

And on a Mac you can use timemachine for easy backup...



DmitriM
Registered: May 19, 2005
Total Posts: 652
Country: Canada

There are no differences nowdays.



Brit-007
Registered: Jul 22, 2004
Total Posts: 861
Country: United States

From a PC guy going to an IMac. Would I do it again? Answer, in hindsight, I should have gone to a Mac Pro. The switch? of course. Life is a lot easier.



Taylor Barrett
Registered: Dec 12, 2007
Total Posts: 1376
Country: United States

I say go for it. They are very nice computers.



Ben Horne
Registered: Jan 10, 2002
Total Posts: 7540
Country: United States

I would have a hard time spending ANY money on a PC. Yuck.

Macs are a joy to use.

Here's a word of wisdom about the what you hear from the fanboys out there on either side (Yes, I'm a mac fanboy).

1) Those who vocally support Mac computers have almost always used both PCs as well as Macs, and chose to buy a Mac.

2) Those who vocally support PC computers usually have not used a Mac.



Jonathan Knight
Registered: Aug 05, 2006
Total Posts: 1544
Country: United States

DmitriM wrote:
There are no differences nowdays.


Um....yes, yes there is.

Please quantify, qualify this blanket statement.



Mac's:

No need to worry about viruses or adware.
Nice suite of integrated applications (iLife).
Nicely designed hardware.
Shareware applications tend to be better designed.
An intelligently designed OS (adding a network laser printer is a breeze).

PCs:

They're cheap. But you know what they say: "You get what you pay for."

Vista has been an absolute disaster across the board and XP is not any good, either. The viruses are horrendous, adding software can be impossible, NOT user-friendly and the best PC will only last a few years.





Jonathan Knight
Registered: Aug 05, 2006
Total Posts: 1544
Country: United States

Ben Horne wrote:
I would have a hard time spending ANY money on a PC. Yuck.

Macs are a joy to use.

Here's a word of wisdom about the what you hear from the fanboys out there on either side (Yes, I'm a mac fanboy).

1) Those who vocally support Mac computers have almost always used both PCs as well as Macs, and chose to buy a Mac.


Exactly. I used PCs all my life (I'm 20) and switched to Mac after I got into journalism in high school (and my brother had a lot to do with it, as well) (we had 2 labs with 25 Macs, 24" monitors, the whole deal...)

I would never use a PC again. EVER.



Jonathan Knight
Registered: Aug 05, 2006
Total Posts: 1544
Country: United States

bdickers wrote:
Leopard, the current Mac operating system, has a built-in utility called bootcamp, which will allow you to install XP on a separate partition on you hard drive. You can then run your windows-specific software in a native windows environment on your Mac.


I do this for a few PC specific games and software for my classes. It's great!



DmitriM
Registered: May 19, 2005
Total Posts: 652
Country: Canada

Jonathan Knight wrote:
DmitriM wrote:
There are no differences nowdays.


Um....yes, yes there is.

Please quantify, qualify this blanket statement.



Mac's:

No need to worry about viruses or adware.
Nice suite of integrated applications (iLife).
Nicely designed hardware.
Shareware applications tend to be better designed.
An intelligently designed OS (adding a network laser printer is a breeze).

PCs:

They're cheap. But you know what they say: "You get what you pay for."

Vista has been an absolute disaster across the board and XP is not any good, either. The viruses are horrendous, adding software can be impossible, NOT user-friendly and the best PC will only last a few years.




I've used Macs before and I am a PC user. Mind, I consider myself an advance user.
I don't have any stability issues, adware issues,virus issues and my pc is just as fast as a Mac.
I don't use shareware and adding a network laser printer takes seconds...

Most users who praise Macs don't know much about computers. I do agree that Macs are more user friendly ,and that seems to be the reason why lots of people like them.

I can do lots of other things on my pc that you can't do on Mac and that's the reason I am with it.


Oh and if you are mainly use your computer for Web and Photoshop I see no single reason to switch.



Jonathan Knight
Registered: Aug 05, 2006
Total Posts: 1544
Country: United States

DmitriM wrote:


Most users who praise Macs don't know much about computers.


Ha. You're funny.

Speaking for myself: I am an advanced user who has done web design, extensive gaming, golf course design, photo editing, page layouts. I will always use a Mac (except gaming....)



RafalA
Registered: Jul 16, 2006
Total Posts: 418
Country: Canada

Mac all the way. Once you go to Mac from PC, most never look back.



Mitchell Carter
Registered: Jan 15, 2007
Total Posts: 237
Country: United States

DmitriM, you said:
"I can do lots of other things on my pc that you can't do on Mac and that's the reason I am with it." Uh, I thought you said "there are no differences".

jmphotography: It is possible to switch your CS3 license from Windows to Mac. Adobe customer service: 800-833-6687. If you do go with an iMac, the 24" screens are noticeably better than the 20 inch (especially when comparing the lower one-third of the screen). The only thing that worries me about the iMac is that RAM maxes out at 4GB; in a couple years that won't be enough. But so far so good. The Leopard interface is a pleasure to use, Time Machine is fabulous, CS3 and LR run great.



Mike Pipes
Registered: Jul 13, 2004
Total Posts: 899
Country: United States

DmitriM wrote:

Most users who praise Macs don't know much about computers. I do agree that Macs are more user friendly ,and that seems to be the reason why lots of people like them.

I can do lots of other things on my pc that you can't do on Mac and that's the reason I am with it.


Mac OSX is for serious computer geeks too if they know their UNIX commands. The Terminal app gives them unprecedented control over their system. It's pretty amazing given Apple's history of keeping users out of their system's guts, but only the tech savvy users would even go poking around for this stuff. Pretty cool to have UNIX native stuff running on a Mac, for the uber-geeks. Not that Windows can't do this stuff too, but fact is, Mac is as much for geeks as it is for people who don't want to mess with the nuts and bolts.

Re: software investment, like it was already mentioned above, you can get your existing licenses transferred to Mac versions to use on the new machine. If adding another computer to your office desktop and keeping the old computer for use as well, you'd have to purchase new software licenses anyway regardless of Mac or PC... unless one of those systems was a laptop for use when away from the office, when only one copy of the license would be used at any particular time.



ghouston13
Registered: Feb 03, 2005
Total Posts: 119
Country: United States

Hmm..this argument is still rearing it's ugly head?

I'm an I.T. professional for a local school district. No, not a pro-photographer but I do have some oppinions on the matter.

In the I.T. field Macs are cost prohibitive, at least for us. Even for our students desktops. That includes multiple 3D design (Cad and such) labs, two A/V labs that broadcast their work around two high schools and countless other typing and application labs. The A/V labs do have a couple of Macs, but this is mainly so students can get used to both systems since the reason for taking this class is obvious. They want to go into this field.

That being said, Macs are fine machines. They now (for several years) have integrated linux/unix into their opperating system and it's all smooth and pretty. It's easy to use and that's all great.

But, Vista is pretty easy to use as well. Microsoft has always had a habbit of releasing software early and using us as beta testers. usually after SP1 or SP2 everything is ironed out and working fine. This is a crappy way to do business, but it's usually the brand new desktops that people purchase on the home consumer market that fill this need. Most professionals (including our department) hold off until things are stable and known problems are fixed.

Vista is a fine opperating system. I've been doing this gig since Windows 3.11 and I'm no Microsoft fanboy. But I feel that the software and hardware freedom that PC gives a user is far superior than that of Mac.

"You get what you pay for" is a useless and meaningless phrase. It doesn't apply 100% of the time and is a snooty way of calling someone "cheap". I personally would rather have the freedoms that come with the PC platform than the expense and restrictions (that's right, restrictions) that comes with the Mac platform. And let us not forget that viruses do exsist for Mac, just not as many. Why? Because a hacker can't get famous designing viruses for an opperating system with only a fraction of the user base. They want massive damage and you go for the most visible guy on the block for that.

It's pretty cool that Mac can run Windows on a seperate partition or using other software. Windows could do the same as well if users really felt the need to use the Mac OS. I mean, what can you do with an expensive shiny Mac that you can't with a PC? Game, oh wait...that's the other way around. On average it's like 6 months later for major game releases on Mac and most hardware (sound and video) manufactures treat Mac like a red headed step child.

You might think I don't like Macs, but I do. I just think they are stupidly over priced. They offer absolutely no benifit over PC with the acception of the user interface, and I wouldn't really call it a benifit but more of a preference. If a user is used to the Mac's user interface of the PC's, then it would be a benifit for them to use the Mac.

When it all boils down, you are buying a PC with a Mac OS on it. For years everyone was tooting their horns about how awesome Mac/Apple hardware and software was and PC sucked and was only used because people couldn't afford a Mac. But wait a minute, Mac's use hardware pioneerd for the PC/Windows market, right? Same Processor, slots, ram, sound and video bus and so forth? What happened to SCSI and Risc processors? What happened to what made a Mac unique? Oh, it's just the OS now. In fact, you can even run OSx on a PC.

http://lifehacker.com/348653/install-os-x-on-your-hackintosh-pc-no-hacking-required/

If Mac/Apple were so great, why don't they just build a version for PC users and make money off of the (apparently) millions wanting to jump ship from Windows?

Instead we have hackers that do this job for Mr. Jobs.

Like I said, Mac OS is nice and I like it. I like Macs too, but for the money they do not excite me in the least.

I actually will be building one of the Hackintoshes to familiarize myself with the Mac OS even more. We have no one in our district (In our department) that knows anything about Macs. So I guess I'll be a step up, even though I think we have maybe 15 district wide.

That's just my .02.



jerryrock
Registered: May 22, 2006
Total Posts: 1453
Country: United States

I am a Graphic Designer as well as a Photographer. Mac is a necessity in my field. The Mac is used in every higher educational institution that offer degrees in Graphic Design as well as Photography. Most creative professionals use Apple computers. They are well designed with form and function in mind. It is not a coincidence that the Mac operating system and Apple computers are built and supported by the same company. Apple offers the best support in the industry and the fact that can run Windows just adds to their usability.






mdude85
Registered: Apr 12, 2004
Total Posts: 2913
Country: United States

Ben Horne wrote:

1) Those who vocally support Mac computers have almost always used both PCs as well as Macs, and chose to buy a Mac.

2) Those who vocally support PC computers usually have not used a Mac.


There's absolutely no truth to these statements -- if anything, vocal supporters of Windows (PC is an archaic way to denote a Windows computer) have tended to use a variety of systems including Mac, Windows, and perhaps an open source option such as Linux.

People who are NOT vocal supporters of either system have tended to use Windows computers exclusively.



mdude85
Registered: Apr 12, 2004
Total Posts: 2913
Country: United States

ghouston13 wrote:

If Mac/Apple were so great, why don't they just build a version for PC users and make money off of the (apparently) millions wanting to jump ship from Windows?


There is a lot of money to be made in proprietarily linking Apple software with hardware. It also decreases compatibility issues as developers only have to write code for a specific hardware set.

Not to mention that the cache of owning a Mac is not in using Mac OS but having physical possession of the branded machines.



mdude85
Registered: Apr 12, 2004
Total Posts: 2913
Country: United States

jmphotography wrote:
I am currently a PC guy for my photography business. I build my own PC's. Currently have a Core2Duo 6700 with 4g of ram. I am mostly doing photoshop CS3 and some business apps like Quickbooks pro. I am thinking of going to an imac. Can anyone share any experiences, either positive or negative? I guess my biggest drawback is the investment in software that I currently own in PC.
Thanks


You could go back and forth on this argument all day, but the real question is what your motivation is for switching to an iMac?



mdude85
Registered: Apr 12, 2004
Total Posts: 2913
Country: United States

jerryrock wrote:
I am a Graphic Designer as well as a Photographer. Mac is a necessity in my field. The Mac is used in every higher educational institution that offer degrees in Graphic Design as well as Photography. Most creative professionals use Apple computers. They are well designed with form and function in mind. It is not a coincidence that the Mac operating system and Apple computers are built and supported by the same company. Apple offers the best support in the industry and the fact that can run Windows just adds to their usability.



"Creative professionals" use Macs because the design industry has trended toward using them for the last 10 or 15 years. It is quite difficult for the industry to make the switch now, but that does not mean using Mac is a "necessity." It is simply a matter of course.



louis fusco
Registered: Nov 18, 2005
Total Posts: 3115
Country: Ireland

jmphotography wrote:
I am currently a PC guy for my photography business. I build my own PC's. Currently have a Core2Duo 6700 with 4g of ram. I am mostly doing photoshop CS3 and some business apps like Quickbooks pro. I am thinking of going to an imac. Can anyone share any experiences, either positive or negative? I guess my biggest drawback is the investment in software that I currently own in PC.
Thanks


adobe let you transfere you licence when you upgrade, cs4 is supposed to be here in september.

pc in work mac at home, very happy.



mdphotography
Registered: Mar 02, 2004
Total Posts: 338
Country: United States

botom line- men who use mac get way hotter chicks.



lordarka
Registered: Jun 13, 2003
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Country: United States

mDude: your belief that the "cache[t]" [sp] in owning a Mac lies in the hardware is the kind of statement that leads people like Ben to question the general depth of your platform knowledge. Yours is a common refrain among hardware-centered users, who often display a real insensitivity to poorly designed software. This is perhaps understandable, since software design isn't something that neatly fits onto a spec-sheet.

The measure of good software is its efficient use of system resources, stability, and its ability to accomodate a universe of user preferences. Attention to these criteria is clearly lacking in the Windows world; while the Mac is not an absolute antidote, it is a lot easier to find better software in the Mac world. I have become a heavy user of elegantly designed Mac shareware for my text and document management needs. (See shareware software developed by the Omni Group, or independent gems like Scrivener, to get a sense of what I'm talking about).

I also find that MacOS, for all of its flaws, manages system resources more efficiently, and also gives me window management tools that complement my workflow as I need them. Expose and Spaces are not mere graphical flourishes or "eye candy," but rather are substantively useful information management tools that have no real equivalent in an XP or Vista world.

Like many computer users, I live in MS and Mac universes coextensively; my Mac has the unique distinction of being the only platform that may lawfully run both OS'es at the same time. Windows proficiency is necessary in the professional world I inhabit. That said, I keep a Mac on my desk when I have to do really complex research or document generation, because the software available on that platform makes management of many windows, sources, and document sections that much easier. There are no real Windows equivalents. These differences in operation overflow into visual creation as well. I prefer to do my illustration, 3D, and photography work on a Mac because I've grown accustomed to the workflow benefits it provides. I've also grown accustomed to being able to run Windows on those rare occasions where I absolutely need to do things in Windows. (i.e learning on my "Mudbox" demo). With no real performance penalty on the hardware side, I see little reason to deny myself the flexibility of using MacOS.

ghouston13 wrote:If Mac/Apple were so great, why don't they just build a version for PC users and make money off of the (apparently) millions wanting to jump ship from Windows?

You know the answer to your own question quite well. There is a reason, related to profit margins, that Apple likes to control the hardware. Building a stable and reliable OS to accommodate every possible hardware configuration, including those using poorly designed hardware, is a monumental task that even a dedicated software behemoth like Microsoft hasn't been able to solve. Apple's model has been to limit the hardware to ensure stability in the software. Do I think that OSX could be designed to embrace a wider range of hardware, while still retaining its stability? Yes! But that would be a very bad business decision for Apple; the company would devote massive resources to expanding MacOS's hardware umbrella while absolutely abolishing Apple's ability to profit from its hardware configurations. And it would do so at tremendous risk to its reputation as a purveyor of a seamless computing "experience" that relies on both hardware and software.

For most people, interaction with a computer involves one or two input devices, a monitor, and software. The software experience defines how well that interaction goes. I don't need multiple ethernet cards in my computer, nor do I need SLI with GeForce Boost to increase my Doom3 frag rates to stratospheric levels. I'm a productivity user with specific hardware demands; the Mac hardware universe, with its selection of strong NVIDIA cards and state-of-the-art Intel CPU architectures, fills those needs. I am willing to accept limits in the potentiality of my hardware if my software experience improves as a result. I am especially open to such restriction when it is modest, and the base hardware powerful enough to preclude the immediate need to upgrade.

As a former builder of PC desktops (Intel BX, AMD Socket 939, Intel Socket D), I really can't say I miss the days where I felt compelled to open up my system, inhale dust, and snap components in and out of the slots to optimize performance.

Arka C.



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