http://slashdot.org/articles/04/01/08/0111228.shtml?tid=152&tid=185

Unbelievable Now Adobe has become a Censor telling you What you can and cannot edit!!!

Call them and complain ! This is unacceptable behavior.

Try to open this image:

http://www.riksbank.se/upload/bilder/Pressbilder/Genrebilder_sedlar_och_mynt/nr22_hog.jpg

Or this one

http://pbx.mine.nu/Series2004NoteFront.jpg

try scanning a NEW 2004 series 20 dollar bill
youll get a nice surprise!


What will they censor next?
And its not only US money too,

Until I try to do something that it interfers with I'm not going to be overly concerned. Things like this have to be expected with the ability of software to now forge almost anything?

so you are pro censorship?

what if they decided that they wont allow you to open a photo of a tree?

What about your family

BTW it is NOT illegal to open / scan a 20 dollar bill or any currency for that matter

Read it here.

http://www.treas.gov/usss/money_illustrations.shtml

Ed also thats the attitude that allows this kind of behavior.

What do you want to bet the government had a hand in this? I don't see it as a big problem. If you're not counterfeiting banknotes, then you have nothing to worry about. I did find out one thing, though... It only works on full note images. I was able to open some RAW files I have of portions of a note.

John ... this is a problem, a big problem, and not just for counterfieters.

You want to create a flyer with a money theme? You want to create a web page for your financial institution? You want to create a parody banknote from reference material?

See ... the difference here is not the specifics of the action, but rather that the software claims to know better than you. It doesn't know your intentions when opening but assumes you're guilty.

It even goes as far as to say (paraphrasing) ... "you may not do this without permission". Well, what if you *HAVE* permission? (oh, let's just suppose you work for the treasury ... I believe they use ps to help design the notes to begin with) The software doesn't know ... it just blocks the request flat.

Here lies the problem, and it won't go away by saying "but I don't want to open images of bank notes so it doesn't affect me". The problem affects you - it just hasn't caught up to something you care about yet.

How come when you either mentio activastion your a thief
jmcfadden
I buy the software I use. I bought PSCS.
I dont have Mp3's I dont use Peer to peer
Stealing is wrong so is censorship

Edited by Nagash on Jan 09, 2004 at 12:45 AM GMT

Dave has the right point.

I love Adobe. I have owned their stock. I have bought their software. I have been a longtime champion of almost everything they do. But I do have to admit that this makes me a little bit un-easy. I had nothing against them making it harder to pirate the SW, but I must agree with Dave here. What's next?

Just for the fun, I scanned both new USD 10 and USD 100 notes last evening at 300 dpi and 1200 dpi respectively, resulted in a 88MB TIFF for the USD100 bill, and both open fine in my PS CS.

Scanned SGD10 as well, no problem... no EURO note to test, but no problem for me at all.

Here's a screenshot I took just now...

How about a "logical" extension to the theme ...

How'd you feel if your word processor didn't let you write a ransom demand?? Now, how would you feel if you were a scriptwriter and your word processor didn't let you write a random demand? .....

http://www.telisphere.com/~cearley/sean/camps/first.html

Right on Dave. The thought on the link was the first thing that came into my mind when I started reading this thread.

Cheers

Mike

Speak out Call adobe complain dont let them do this to a good software.

If we let them get away with this they will do worse.

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/contact.html

This is what adobe has to say. Just in case you dont have access to the Adobe Forums.

And I qoute

"--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kevin Connor - 06:33pm Jan 8, 2004 Pacific (#269 of 275)

As someone at Adobe who was involved in the decision to include counterfeit deterrence in Photoshop CS, let me finally provide you with a response to all of these concerns and questions. Sorry for the delay!:

Photoshop CS does indeed include a counterfeit deterrence system (CDS) to prevent the illegal duplication of banknotes. The CDS was created by a consortium of central banks from around the world. We, along with other hardware and software manufacturers, have included CDS in our products at their request to address the threat posed by the use of digital technologies in the counterfeiting of banknotes. There are other software products from other companies that already use this same technology. There are also hardware products that use the same or similar technology. For example, most color copiers sold today will not allow you to copy currency.

As digital imaging technology advances, becoming more broadly available and user friendly, the old barriers to currency reproduction are becoming less effective. The unscrupulous are taking advantage of the functionality that is being provided to the vast majority of honest users for the purposes of counterfeiting currency. In the US and around the world, counterfeiting through digital means is increasing exponentially, and retailers and the general public--including our own customers--are at risk.

Counterfeit currency is essentially a hot potato. Whoever holds it last, loses. The person who loses isn't necessarily the counterfeiter. There's no government body in place to "reimburse" people who, through no fault of their own, get paid with currency that turns out to be counterfeit. In our implementation of CDS, we've worked very hard to balance the need to protect these unsuspecting victims of counterfeiting along with the need to continue to provide a product that efficiently does what honest customers need it to do.

There appear to be several major concerns and objections repeated throughout this message thread, so I'll try to address each one individually:

1. Performance: CDS does not cause any noticeable slowdown in Photoshop performance. During most operations performed in Photoshop, CDS is not used at all. When it is used, the performance impact often is just a fraction of a second.

2. Legal use of notes: It is true that the current implementation of CDS will prevent you from scanning in your own banknotes even if your usage intent is entirely within legal boundaries. Regulations for using banknote images vary by country. It is the responsibility of the central bank in each country to provide images that can be used within the legal guidelines of that country. In other words, if you want to legally reproduce images of the new $20US bills on a Web site or in a marketing brochure, you can contact the U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing for legal images that can be opened and manipulated in Photoshop CS. (You can visit them at www.moneyfactory.com.) Similar solutions should be available in other countries. If you find that your central bank is not providing adequate support to permit legal uses of their banknote images, then you should let them know.

3. Adobe's intentions: Please be assured that this implementation of CDS is not a step down the road towards Adobe becoming "Big Brother." We know that one of the reasons people love Photoshop is because it's an incredibly flexible tool that can be used for so many different things. That's also one of the reasons we at Adobe enjoy working on new versions. Finding ways to prevent you from doing things in Photoshop really doesn't interest us! Moreover, the CDS is not Adobe technology, but was provided by the central banks, who would have no reason to want to restrict anything other than bank notes. Counterfeiting is really a special case in which we could see how our own technology advances were making it easier to commit crimes and we were asked to implement a solution that would have minimal impact on honest customers. Yes, there is some impact, in that you need to contact your central bank for images, but our hope is that it's not a huge inconvenience for that small group of customers who do need to reproduce these images in their graphic design work. It also provides the central banks with an opportunity to better educate customers on exactly what is and isn't legal usage.

Of course, CDS in Photoshop CS is essentially a 1.0 implementation of a feature, analogous to the state of the layers palette in Photoshop 3.0. We realize that there may be room for improvement, particularly if there are corner usage cases that weren't taken into account in our current designs. We do want to hear about your concerns, and we definitely want to hear if there's a specific problem that this implementation has created for you. As with any Photoshop feature, we depend on hearing from customers so that we can make continual improvements release after release.

"

oeyvind only certain bank notes will cause the error.

I know of the new 2004 series 20 dollar bill.

i was under the impression that you could do whatever you wanted with your scanner,currency. hell you can print out images of currency, as long as they are b/w, one sided, and blown up to 125%

edit....

oh i guess this is only for cs...never mind..

Wow, what's next. Auto pr0n detectors?

So, use photoshop 7

You want twenty, scan two tens.

here is the work around though

Open/Scan into Image ready

Go to File /Edit in Photoshop.
No error.

Personally I dont see this as a big deal. If you regularly work with money on your Photoshop, then email them and make them provide you with a work around because you have permission. If you dont, I dont see this as a big deal.

We all know why this is happening, do you really think that they will create a sensor that doesnt allow you to open a photo of your family or a tree. C'mon, I dont like to treat it lightly, but I dont think we need to worry about much additional censorship coming down the pike. Maybe we do, but if it happens, thats when we all stop using Pshop. Hit them where it counts.

I dont like the idea of censorship, but I also dont see this as a big deal in this case.

But that is just my opinion.

Hmmm... Don't like this one bit,

Interesetingly I used Firebirds "Copy Image to Clipboard" feature on the "nr22_" image then opened a new image in Photoshop, pasted in just fine. When I saved it locally from the link provided then tried to open I got the warning.

For the US bill, I tried the same thing, yet either copying from clipboard or fopening from local file gave me the warning.

This could be a royal PITA especially for designers.In my old job,(Multimedia Design) we used images of coins and bills quite often in various ways for both web and print ads and for web design elements. Quite a few of them we did literally scan then assemble comps in photoshop. Final output was always within sec treas guidance (I belive the limitation is you can't reproduce from 75% -- 150% actual size but other wise as long as it's one sided print it's legal. We had a phalanx of copyright/patent/regulatory lawyers to keep us up to date on legalities and keep us honest when we had final comps done. We hated them and cursed them half the time, but they kept us from violating some really obscure and convoluted laws too.

This goes beyond what the law (as I understand it) from Treasury states and effectively makes it impossible to use aquire and use images that the law maintains are allowed.

vwpilot thats the wrong attitude.
Why wouldnt they.
Your not complaning now.
So in their eyes they can do what they want. You wont complain then either.





Edited by Nagash on Jan 09, 2004 at 05:11 AM GMT