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Pondria Registered: Jan 11, 2002 Total Posts: 11873 Country: United States |
It's been more than 6 months since we updated teh FM DR database. We need contributions from the new camera owners. ![]() Now, let's decide the lower limit. This is not as obvious as the upper limit. This can be very subjective, too. 14. Open the files one by one from -2. The peak will gradually move toward the left. Eventually you will see something like the one on the left below. 15. The ENTIRE peak should be still contained. ( Check the left tail hitting the ground ) 16. IMPORTANT: Slide the Exposure adjust slider to the right to see if you can move the ENTIRE peak to the right. ( See the one on the right hand side ). You will see that the left tail is dragging over long. You should be able to separate it cleanly. You will get to the point where you cannot separate the peak out of the noise ( or left wall ). ( The Blue tail will drag longer ) ![]() In my case with D30, the upper limit was 1/5 sec and the lower limit was 1/500 sec. With the camera in hand, I counted the clicks from 1/5 to 1/500 to find that there were 20 clicks. So, the DR is 6 2/3 stops. The whole procedure is much simpler than it looks. Once you understand how the lower and upper limits are determined, you can do this quickly. == Please, post your result with your Canon DSLR. I volunteer to collect the data. The DR may look greater than you think. It all depends on how much noise you can take. It is important that everyone measures the lower limit the same way consistently. ![]() Edited by Pondria on Feb 18, 2008 at 10:16 PM GMT (Reason: Data update)
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Tom_W Registered: Jan 21, 2004 Total Posts: 5160 Country: United States |
Glad to see this make a comeback. Perhaps it's not as precise as a technical lab could produce, but it definately shows the relative range of those cameras tested. |
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cgardner Registered: Nov 18, 2002 Total Posts: 7939 Country: United States |
Another means to the same end... ![]() The red lines are the position of the card spike on the histogram, numbers the RGB value. In practical terms I consider RGB values from about 30 to 240 represent the range of useful detail which can be seen on screen or the print. Doing that test helped me visualize what tone each spot on the horizontal scale of the histogram represents. I used 1-stop increments because I don't obsess about this type of stuff, I just like to be aware of what the histogram is actually telling me. I can interpolate the 1/3 stops in-between. I selected aperture to control the exposure for the test because there is less possibility of mechanical variation: shutter speeds are not always as marked. Also it would allow the same lens to be used on several cameras, eliminating the variable of shutter speed camera to camera. When exposing in the camera I try to put my values as shown below in this meter calibration test (there's glare on some areas but it didn't affect the test I was performing): ![]() The white towel is my standard exposure evaluation tool. I judge optimum exposure via its texture. Paper white winds up around 240, where it should be. The black thing in the background with the 4-6 reading is my hairlight SB which just happened to be back there when I did the test. By coincidence the distance from card to white muslin background made them nearly the same tone. When shooting portraits I have the subject hold the towel, I adjust until it just starts to black out in my OEW, then back down 1/3 stop. Perfect exposure every time. To calibrate my L-358 meter I shoot a bracket test around the indicated reading, then looking at the towel texture in DPP and Photoshop determine which is actually the best exposed. The difference between it and the meter reading gets dialed into the meter as the EC factor. My 20D ISO speed is about 1/3 stop off from the meter. Chuck Edited by cgardner on Jan 13, 2008 at 07:38 AM GMT |
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stanj Registered: Aug 05, 2003 Total Posts: 8000 Country: United States |
Following the instructions I got 9 2/3 for the 40D. I have to re-do the test of my 1Ds3, didn't get to it today as I was busy cutting down a tree |
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Roy Pertchik Registered: Dec 05, 2004 Total Posts: 3341 Country: United States |
Very cool. I'll do my 5D and 20D when I get back to NYC, late in the week |
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Pondria Registered: Jan 11, 2002 Total Posts: 11873 Country: United States |
stanj wrote: |
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stanj Registered: Aug 05, 2003 Total Posts: 8000 Country: United States |
My re-test today once again showed the same result: |
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BogongBreeze Registered: Oct 28, 2005 Total Posts: 442 Country: Australia |
Not sure if these results are worthwhile as I still consider myself a novice. Howver, I've just tested the 40D and it seems to get between 10 and 11 stops of DR, depending where I judge the end of the ranges. |
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stanj Registered: Aug 05, 2003 Total Posts: 8000 Country: United States |
Yeah, I had the same problems, which is why I gave the raw files to Pondria and let him himself decide. That way, it was consistent with the other measurements. Plus I measured all three of my cameras the same way... |
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apdieb Registered: May 29, 2006 Total Posts: 1405 Country: United States |
stanj wrote: |
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Pondria Registered: Jan 11, 2002 Total Posts: 11873 Country: United States |
Any more new data please ? |
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Tom_W Registered: Jan 21, 2004 Total Posts: 5160 Country: United States |
I still owe you my XTi measurements as well as a retake of the 5D (as a sanity check). Hopefully, I'll have some light tomorrow. At least I have a day off! |
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Tom_W Registered: Jan 21, 2004 Total Posts: 5160 Country: United States |
OK, I tested the XTi (400D) and I came up with 7 1/3 to 7 2/3, depending on judgement. It could go either way. |
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Pondria Registered: Jan 11, 2002 Total Posts: 11873 Country: United States |
The data base has been updated with the new inputs. Thank you ! |
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Tom_W Registered: Jan 21, 2004 Total Posts: 5160 Country: United States |
Thank you for your efforts. |
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Richard Steer Registered: Sep 06, 2006 Total Posts: 123 Country: New Zealand |
For my 40D at ISO 100 and f/8, the range was from 1.6" to 1/500". By my count that's 9 2/3 stops. |
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Pondria Registered: Jan 11, 2002 Total Posts: 11873 Country: United States |
40D seems to be a silent winner ! |
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JasonJ Registered: Oct 02, 2005 Total Posts: 2594 Country: United States |
Wow this is interesting. I would participate, but I've made the switch to analog! |
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Richard Steer Registered: Sep 06, 2006 Total Posts: 123 Country: New Zealand |
I retested both cameras today, with two tests each. |
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mfurman Registered: Jan 16, 2005 Total Posts: 2849 Country: Canada |
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Harvey Moore Registered: Jan 20, 2005 Total Posts: 1243 Country: United States |
Probably the method used. See "Data Processing" on this page from the Clarkvision site. click here |
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mfurman Registered: Jan 16, 2005 Total Posts: 2849 Country: Canada |
Harvey Moore: |
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Harvey Moore Registered: Jan 20, 2005 Total Posts: 1243 Country: United States |
Don't know the answer to this Michael. |
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ejmartin Registered: Oct 27, 2005 Total Posts: 312 Country: United States |
mfurman wrote: |