Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel
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Jan-Arie
Registered: Dec 24, 2005
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Country: Netherlands

Uhhhhhh you did what I have to read it a couple of times to try and understand everything you guys did maybe a project for when i have some spare time ( probably when I'm retiring )
Take 5 have to find me a photo to post top

Portuguese F16

Belgium Fouga Magister

Dutch Airforce Demo Viper old colors



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
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Excellent Set J-A!



Jan-Arie
Registered: Dec 24, 2005
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Country: Netherlands

Thanks Jay



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
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Mono Y Mono Y Mono







MMcGrath
Registered: Apr 15, 2006
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Jay,

Looking at the work you did on Steve's shot, I reckon it's nearly there.
Maybe a tad more contrast on the background & a nd grad filter on the top 1/2 of the background to pop the clouds & low contrast stuff on that section.

Also, if you have Color Efex pro, try using the pro contrast filter on the layer with the Mustang on it.



gerov
Registered: Nov 29, 2004
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Beautiful landscapes, Jay.



Bill Gass
Registered: Feb 09, 2006
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gerov wrote:
Beautiful landscapes, Jay.

Agreed.



Glenn Watson
Registered: Nov 13, 2007
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FlyingPhotog wrote:
Well, let's chew on these then...

Zim's Original Image as Downloaded:


My Take:




my take:




well?? tough file! TIFF ended up being 2gb



futurshox
Registered: Feb 15, 2008
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My $0.02 (on a laptop monitor).... Steve's original one looks a bit too blue.
Jay's one is great in the background; nice colour balance and depth to the clouds, but I'd say the aeroplane looks a little too warm toned and the blacks don't quite go deep enough.
Glenn's version looks too saturated all around (sorry dude!).
Maybe later, I'll look on my Cinema display and see what they're like.



gerov
Registered: Nov 29, 2004
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Glenn,
Nice work. Interestingly, to me yours seems almost more like a very well executed painting than a photograph, but perhaps that's due to the monitor I have here at work.

In any case, the original image is a really great composition.

Gero



Ernie Aubert
Registered: Apr 19, 2007
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If I may make so bold as to say "Bingo! That last one takes the prize!"



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
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futurshox wrote:
My $0.02 (on a laptop monitor).... Steve's original one looks a bit too blue.
Jay's one is great in the background; nice colour balance and depth to the clouds, but I'd say the aeroplane looks a little too warm toned and the blacks don't quite go deep enough.
Glenn's version looks too saturated all around (sorry dude!).
Maybe later, I'll look on my Cinema display and see what they're like.


GAH!!!

So Frustrated...

It LOOKS too warm to me too but clicking on the fuselage "says" it's only two clicks Red of 127, 127, 127 which is perfect.

Maybe I need a new (pair of) monitor(s)...

Everything was much easier when my Spyder still worked. Spot On every time...



FlyingPhotog
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Just so people don't think I'm crazy, here's what my colorimetery is doing...

This images is "as shot" and bisected from top right to bottom left. The upper left half is in color, the bottom right half has been converted to B&W by simple pulling out all the saturation:


This second images has the WB set by using the eyedropper on what should be a neutral grey fuselage in the color half of the image. As you can see, it pulls the B&W half to an almost Sepia look:


Third image. WB was achieved by using the eyedropper on the white area of the kill markings. I zoomed in to 100% in order to avoid catching any of the red or black paint. The B&W half looks very green to me...


So, Grey isn't grey and white isn't white and I don't trust anything I'm seeing right now.



cbrandt
Registered: Aug 03, 2006
Total Posts: 1486
Country: United States


Many of you may remember the F105 that collided with Santa Claus this past Christmas, that Talbot County residents Tom and Alice Blair had assembled. He has donated that jet to the Easton Airport, and it sits out on the tarmac until they can afford to build a platform for it.













I've also shared photographs of their home .. if you look thru the photos on the following website you'll see a replica Spitfire hanging from the ceiling in the library.

http://www.chesapeakehome.com/2011/06/09/st-michaels-estate/

There has been some discussion between Saph and me about the Spitfire Hangar .. I forgot to mention HE OWNS ALL THE PLANES and CARS IN THAT HANGAR.

http://www.marylandlife.com/explore-maryland/eastern-shore/easton%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cspitfire%E2%80%9D-hangar/

Today they finished their 2013 Memorial Day display. It inlcudes a tank, a UH-1E, UV-10 HML-267 and what I thought was registration number 151858 though it doesn't pull up - there is also a side car motorcycle and a submarine mockup with the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines represented thru 237 years.













from the road ..






There will be hundreds of video and photographs taken of this display from the tourists heading to St. Michaels - the locals and those who will drive just to see what these wonderful family has shared.



Leviathor
Registered: Dec 20, 2005
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Country: United States

Are you using a point sample, Jay? 3x3? 5x5? If you're using a small (point) sample, you might consider using a larger sample area "just in case" you're having bad luck on pixel selection.

I use a ColorMunki and it really is a wonderful piece of hardware. Ceteris paribus, spectrophotometers will always give better results than colorimeters, because spectrophotometry is a native measurement of wavelength, whereas colorimeters (tristimulus colorimeters) rely on filters. Filters pose two problems, the first is that the light must pass through another medium, and the second is that that medium is at the mercy of manufacturing technique.

I ended up buying a ColorMunki because my Spyder2 was horribly inadequate for the gamut of my monitor. I ended up giving the Spyder2 to my mom, but since I bought her a U2410 for Mother's Day, the Spyder2 was rendered useless for her as well!



FlyingPhotog
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One Pixel Point Sample, Always...

I'm beginning to think my monitor is simply showing its age. Data-wise, the calibration may be correct, but it's wandering from a purely transmissive point of view.



Glenn Watson
Registered: Nov 13, 2007
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Country: United States

Interesting exercise for sure. I don't have any sort of calibration anything so its just me and my no longer 1st class medical worthy vision. The yellow spinner and green field next to it were my trouble spots. Most of my work was done in NIK using Steve's pre-masks.

Jo - no reason to apologize for being wrong. lol

Glenn



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 16221
Country: United States

This is a fine example of the standards that reside here. Most photographers would be clicking their heels to call any of those captures their own, but not the MA2A crew. I agree that the last one "winnadaprize"

Great landscapes Jay! And the "Herd Mentality" is a poster waiting to happen! Beautiful!



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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I took a short flight in our garage today from about 2/3rds of the way up the pull down staircase to the attic above. Poor little Halle was waiting for me to make one trip up to get my Scott's spreader, then I had promised her a look up there. Thank God I didn't default to my norm and take her up first. Seems that a hinge pin had a defect, or the design does, and it sheared in half, causing two others to shear and the entire ladder to twist 180 degrees in a split second, launching me, horizontally into the air, and ultimately to the garage floor. I laid there for a minute, afraid to start counting the fractures, Halle's eyes were about the size of the full disc on a Watson original, and she bolted to get Sheila because she was sure I was "headed toward the bright light".

I'm sure that I'm going to be very achey for the next few days, but compared to what I should be, I'll take that, and a few Advil, and be very thankful. Anyone with a Werner aluminum pull down (high end deluxe!) ladder, replace it, or get one of those big gymnastic pads and place it underneath it.



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
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Country: United States

Owwww...

Glad only your ego got bruised Jim.

Oh, and I'm glad you consider OCD to be a worthy standard!



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