Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel
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Glenn Watson
Registered: Nov 13, 2007
Total Posts: 3780
Country: United States

Guess they'll be calling the CTAF on the ILS! I think its a real shame. cant say about every class D airport out there, but ours really benefits from it safety wise. it was put up after a mid-air collision anyways. its not uncommon to have 4-6 airplanes working the pattern on sunny saturdays either.

pathetic. guess i'll go clean my AR before somebody takes it.



david russell
Registered: Jan 06, 2008
Total Posts: 754
Country: United States

BDU has an Average of 163 operations per day (as a opposed to 277 at McKinney and 350 at Georgetown by my quick search.) I am often #5 or more in the pattern to land and our parallel runways are only 197 ft apart centerline to centerline....we manage. I've been the number 7 glider in the pattern to land multiple times....and remember we don't go around. Your airports will manage too.

Ground operations may be interesting and it will be very interesting to see if corporate flight operations decide to relocate.



astrobrian
Registered: Sep 27, 2012
Total Posts: 827
Country: United States

I will preface this question with the fact I have no idea how any of this truly works behind the scenes, hence me asking a question. Would it not make sense, or even be possible, to hire on certified controllers using local funds rather than big brothers? Would be better than having none at all yes? Just, thinking that whole "free market" bit would take over and we the people would fill the gap, silly me I know.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 18961
Country: United States

We have never had a mid air at KTKI, but we have one heck of a mix throughout the day, Globals, GIV/GV, Challengers, 152's, LSA's. Personally, other than the fact that I am very fond of all our tower staff, it isn't going to affect the Wilson 1 arrival/departure procedures in 7PC. We're in and out before any of the rest of them even know we're there. Not much traffic at my enroute altitude generally.

My friends in the tower are excellent about watching where I am and giving me traffic advisories when I'm out shooting air to air or air to ground. yes, I have TIS in the Cub, but it isn't the same.

I'm on board with the spirit of this whole thing though, I think congress and the pres are at least 2% more worthless than I did a few weeks ago, which puts their approval rating in negative territory for me personally. This is clearly designed to garner the house for the left in 2014.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 18961
Country: United States

You would think Brian, because these are all non fed towers, but there are so many additional factors, liability, training, currency, health insurance, oversight. No municipality is going to take on that liability.



Glenn Watson
Registered: Nov 13, 2007
Total Posts: 3780
Country: United States

Hi David:

We will be fine without it, i've flown my whole life there without it - its less that 5 years old. There are things I like about it, and things I will like about not having it.
The reason that its being closed is mainly what I have a problem with. it is such a crock. Like JW, i now have 6 friends without a job and not many places to look for one so it sucks even more for them.

Our airport has a small chance for an exemption as we're classified as an official reliever airport for AUS, but its a small chance. And Brian there are avenues to bring it to the state and even local level in the meantime, but doing so puts us in a possition to possibly never recieve federal funding again in the future if this nightmare thats looking out for us ever ends. I also read an article this week that even after the sequestor, the FAA still has more money in its budget than it did last year. So closing the towers is just political scare tactics and propaganda to try and trick all the Fox news viewers into believing that we cant afford spending cuts in government because of all the things we will "lose". You know - can the police department, fire fighters and school teachers first - then everybody gets behind your spending programs.

Glenn



Leftcoast_Mike
Registered: Feb 27, 2013
Total Posts: 36
Country: Canada

nice Hero shot Glenn! Was your local one of those forced to shut down their ATC?? I read about this online this afternoon.

I'm still plucking a few from this shoot a few weeks ago



cbrandt
Registered: Aug 03, 2006
Total Posts: 1486
Country: United States

astrobrian wrote:
I will preface this question with the fact I have no idea how any of this truly works behind the scenes, hence me asking a question. Would it not make sense, or even be possible, to hire on certified controllers using local funds rather than big brothers? Would be better than having none at all yes? Just, thinking that whole "free market" bit would take over and we the people would fill the gap, silly me I know.




Airport here is county .. they don't have the funds and the tower people I understand are contracted thru some big ole company .. haven't heard the status of Easton, Md yet, but I'm sure those folks are in employment jeporady ..



Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
Total Posts: 2913
Country: United States

I was part of a remote 3 man maintenance team sent to Victoria, TX to recover, launch, recover and launch two F-4s. Our mission was to prove we could fly and fight from a remote location after Ellington was bombed. Victoria was an old WWII field that had been abandoned and there was no ATC. There was an FBO who talked to incoming (mostly to set up fuel/services). Metro Airlines flew in there at that time.

One day while we were waiting to recover the F-4s a Metro Twin Otter called the FBO. The FBO was in his truck talking to us. A Metro entering the pattern asked if anything was in the area, so FBO asked us the status of our jets. We told him they were probably a few minutes out (we were guessing, didn't have communication with them). He told Metro there were 2 F-4s flying in the area. Metro went nuts asking where they were. We told the FBO to tell Metro to look for the smoke (Metro had a field about 3 miles south of Ellington where this A/C originated). (He told them he was safe, they were not in the pattern yet.)



KJindaUK
Registered: Sep 20, 2004
Total Posts: 646
Country: United Kingdom

For Ray

IE1M6033 by airpowerimages.com, on Flickr



KJindaUK
Registered: Sep 20, 2004
Total Posts: 646
Country: United Kingdom

One more Viper

DSC_8818 by airpowerimages.com, on Flickr



Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
Total Posts: 2913
Country: United States

I remember that photo Kevin. Very nice.

When I joined the 147th in 1972, most of the A/C mechanics loved to paint. That is one way to keep ya moving and busy, if you stood still too long you would get painted! They painted aircraft, taxi ways, hangars. That painting tradition continued with the F-16. Haven't seen much painting since they began flying the Predator.

Here's a travel pod that stayed still too long! (Surprised they haven't tried to mount it on a Predator!)







KJindaUK
Registered: Sep 20, 2004
Total Posts: 646
Country: United Kingdom

Very cool, love details like that.

That was a new edit of the F-16s, although obviously from the same couple of flights.

In the end though, the F-4 is king!

DSC_8961 by airpowerimages.com, on Flickr



david russell
Registered: Jan 06, 2008
Total Posts: 754
Country: United States

Glenn Watson wrote:
Hi David:

We will be fine without it, i've flown my whole life there without it - its less that 5 years old. There are things I like about it, and things I will like about not having it.
The reason that its being closed is mainly what I have a problem with. it is such a crock. Like JW, i now have 6 friends without a job and not many places to look for one so it sucks even more for them.

Our airport has a small chance for an exemption as we're classified as an official reliever airport for AUS, but its a small chance. And Brian there are avenues to bring it to the state and even local level in the meantime, but doing so puts us in a possition to possibly never recieve federal funding again in the future if this nightmare thats looking out for us ever ends. I also read an article this week that even after the sequestor, the FAA still has more money in its budget than it did last year. So closing the towers is just political scare tactics and propaganda to try and trick all the Fox news viewers into believing that we cant afford spending cuts in government because of all the things we will "lose". You know - can the police department, fire fighters and school teachers first - then everybody gets behind your spending programs.


Glenn


Yeah Glenn, we can agree on that......my favorite example of the day: TSA is telling us that security lines are going to get exponentially longer, but yet they have the time and resources to put in a truly silly set of rules about knives on airplanes. Am I OK with knives on planes? Sure!, but think about the cost of implementing that program over the next couple of months. The training alone will be amazingly expensive, add rule updates, signage, marketing.....and beyond that, the rules are so convoluted, that it will further delay those long lines at the airport.

They aren't thinking, or else thinking that we aren't thinking. Either way, I"m embarrassed for them.



gerov
Registered: Nov 29, 2004
Total Posts: 8995
Country: United States

KJindaUK wrote:
Very cool, love details like that.

That was a new edit of the F-16s, although obviously from the same couple of flights.

In the end though, the F-4 is king!

DSC_8961 by airpowerimages.com, on Flickr


Kevin,
this shot rocks.

Gero



Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
Total Posts: 2913
Country: United States

gerov wrote:
KJindaUK wrote:
Very cool, love details like that.

That was a new edit of the F-16s, although obviously from the same couple of flights.

In the end though, the F-4 is king!

DSC_8961 by airpowerimages.com, on Flickr


Kevin,
this shot rocks.

Gero


^^^ +1



futurshox
Registered: Feb 15, 2008
Total Posts: 2751
Country: United States

Wrei wrote:
gerov wrote:

Gero


^^^ +1


+2!



astrobrian
Registered: Sep 27, 2012
Total Posts: 827
Country: United States

Also saw an article stating that the TSA was now spending a ton on uniforms to, hows that for offsetting sequestration savings ha. And yeah the level of politics, theatrics, and overall foolishness with this is ridiculous. If what they wanted to do was legit they could shut other things down for a short time and save 4 fold the amount. Saw it somewhere that basically they made these consequences as more of a threat to get things done, now that nothing has been done the chickens have come home to roost. Either way, annoying.



astrobrian
Registered: Sep 27, 2012
Total Posts: 827
Country: United States

Wow Kevin, that shot is a beauty



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
Total Posts: 4775
Country: United States

Killer Phantom Image Kevin!



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