Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel
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FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
Total Posts: 4775
Country: United States

Today definitely did not suck...
(A huge Thank You to Scott Slocum for allowing me to tag along)



Leftcoast_Mike
Registered: Feb 27, 2013
Total Posts: 36
Country: Canada

JWilsonphoto wrote:
Chainshot wrote:
The movie version 'Memphis Belle' is in Atl. this w/e. We are having crappy weather. Doubt they will fly, until Sunday. Price has gone up to $450 for 30 min. Can't blame it on them. I'm sure it is fuel, etc...







The speed at which money becomes noise in all of these aircraft is just stunning. When I did the AOPA article on FiFi, they were telling me the flight time would run about 10 grand. Everyone thinks they'd like to put together a B25 air to air shoot, until they find out the tab. If you haven't been around it, it's sobering for sure. Come to think of it, if you have been around it, it's sobering.

I just recently put together a ride program for our Museum whereby we can offer membership upgrades and offer a ride in the aircraft they sponsor as the 'perk'. The trickery (albeit legal) is keeping it from becoming commercial. If you can do that you'll save a TON of money. I don't know how the CAF (for example) do it with the B-17 etc but if our 'commercial insurance' rates are anything like they might be paying I can certainly see why they have to charge what they do.

Cost to fuel the aircraft (and oil) is sometimes covered by the event hosts/organizers...but not always. The money needed for the engine overhaul fund is substantial. Take the Lancaster based in Hamilton, Ontario....HALF a MILLION to overhaul the 4 Merlin's (not including the spare they keep).

When I do a2a with my friend Bill in his Harvard/T-6 it's almost always part of some kind of formation training which is why the subjects are always in so tight with most of my work. I foot half the gas and oil bill on every flight where we aren't being compensated for being part of things. It's certainly not cheap lol.



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
Total Posts: 4775
Country: United States

AFAIK, the CAF rules prohibit Point A to Point B flights...

Point A to Point A is considered local "sight seeing" and as such, is not considered to be "holding out" as a transportation service.



Leftcoast_Mike
Registered: Feb 27, 2013
Total Posts: 36
Country: Canada

FlyingPhotog wrote:
AFAIK, the CAF rules prohibit Point A to Point B flights...

Point A to Point A is considered local "sight seeing" and as such, is not considered to be "holding out" as a transportation service.


I can vouch for this. That was the only time anyone's labeled me 'media' and the only other time I signed my name so many times was on my mortgage.

Offering 'rides' can still be deemed 'commercial' (at least here) but not going point A to B certainly helps make your case. We break the membership upgrade cost into two parts and work within the rev canada rules to keep it safe for the Museum.


btw - looks like you had a spectacular day, Jay! Lovely shot of a gorgeous Pony!



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 18829
Country: United States

Preparation meeting opportunity Jay Boy! Congrats! Give my best to Scott.



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
Total Posts: 4775
Country: United States

Your name came up several times in conversation Jim. Thank You...

Love On The Rocks



Leftcoast_Mike
Registered: Feb 27, 2013
Total Posts: 36
Country: Canada

I'll be going to sleep with a smile on my face tonight. That shot is stunning. Love the landscape as well



Jan-Arie
Registered: Dec 24, 2005
Total Posts: 4039
Country: Netherlands

FlyingPhotog wrote:
Today definitely did not suck...
(A huge Thank You to Scott Slocum for allowing me to tag along)



As I don't often copy the photo in the quoted message this time i will man what a great photo that is amazing light etc.
Very cool of Scott to let you tag along
The glossy look is something i like and that is missing in my photo's sometimes.



yipDog
Registered: Mar 06, 2012
Total Posts: 148
Country: United States

Jay, your luck is equalled by your skill! Jealous!!



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
Total Posts: 4775
Country: United States

Pony UP!



Jan-Arie
Registered: Dec 24, 2005
Total Posts: 4039
Country: Netherlands

Well it's good morning to me have a great weekend y'all



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
Total Posts: 4775
Country: United States

C YA!
Catch everyone later... Have a great weekend!



Kingfishphoto
Registered: Nov 26, 2005
Total Posts: 7351
Country: United States

In the 1950s , the Air Force charged an iner-service rate of $ 1000.00 per hour to ride/carry cargo in the C-124 Globemasters. I quess it was just another grab of taxpayers money. Think what it must have been when the C5 started flying. Lockheed Edsel- gas guzzler for sure.
Harry Palmer



futurshox
Registered: Feb 15, 2008
Total Posts: 2744
Country: United States

Well, that was a fine set of shots to wake up to :-)



NightOwl Cat
Registered: Feb 19, 2007
Total Posts: 8804
Country: United States

Anyone have some old parts kicking around? http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123338080

edit to add TOPP shots from Dayton and Alliance from last year.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 18829
Country: United States

What Mike and Lady Jo, and everyone else said!......................



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 18829
Country: United States

Off to an 8 o'clock soccer game. Have a great day everyone!



ELinder
Registered: Feb 14, 2010
Total Posts: 957
Country: United States

Wow Jay, I think that's a new record for how often my desktop background picture changed on one page.

Erich



yipDog
Registered: Mar 06, 2012
Total Posts: 148
Country: United States

From the Cactus Fly-In in Casa Grande yesterday...













msalvetti
Registered: Dec 20, 2003
Total Posts: 3111
Country: United States

NightOwl Cat wrote:
Anyone have some old parts kicking around? http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123338080



Wow, nice to see all the pieces coming together.

When I visited her, there was an instrument panel on the wall full of empty gauge holes. And an anecdote posted to the side, where a newspaper reporter had suggested that maybe the museum owed Memphis something for taking care of her all these years. The alleged reply was something along the lines of don't even think about it, until the residents returned all the parts that had been stolen while she was there.

Mark



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