Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel
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Colin Giersberg
Registered: Jun 01, 2008
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Country: United States

I like the tweaks Jay. They make the image pop.



Glenn Watson
Registered: Nov 13, 2007
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Finally found an airplane that looks great with the brown and grey Centex ground!



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Glenn Watson
Registered: Nov 13, 2007
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The famous Austin 360 bridge...



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Glenn Watson
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Downtown ATX and the State Capitol..



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FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
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Really Nice Work Glenn!



Glenn Watson
Registered: Nov 13, 2007
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This client also wanted some images that depicted the romance and ease of charter flying..working with models not my strong suit. what do you think?



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Glenn Watson
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Glenn Watson
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msalvetti
Registered: Dec 20, 2003
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I like them, Glenn. That last one though, she kind of looks abandoned at the doorway. And I think the bright blue dress/sweater combo is more flattering on her.

If these are for commercial use, can you show the brand labels on the liquor without permission? What about the Audi rings?

Mark



Glenn Watson
Registered: Nov 13, 2007
Total Posts: 3757
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Hi Mark:

How are you? Thanks for commenting. Yes they are for commercial use and thats a good question - can i? Does the Beechcraft logos and emblems fall into the same category?

Glenn



Bill Gass
Registered: Feb 09, 2006
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Country: United States

Well we wouldn't want to sell more Audi's and Jack Daniels now would we.
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The famous Austin 360 bridge... <------ Beautiful Glenn



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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Country: United States

Nice images Glenn. I'll ask JR about the Audi/bourbon/Beechcraft use. My guess is you would need to remove the logos from everything to assure that you're in the clear. If you were in New Hampshire you'd be guilty of numerous misdemeanors.

Every day this gets more and more absurd as the government feels more and more empowered. I'm sure there's a FEMA camp somewhere with my name on a bed.



MMcGrath
Registered: Apr 15, 2006
Total Posts: 2605
Country: United Kingdom

Glenn,

Some ideas of how I would approach this.

I would ditch the miniature bourbon bottles. If your going to have whiskey, have it in a Scotch glass with some ice in it.

Get a proper sized champagne bottle, some long stem flute glasses and rotate the bottle so that the labels aren't visible.

Get the guy to wear different clothes - in the 1st shot he looks like a driver picking up a client, and then in the second wearing the same gear he looks like a business man. The colours of his suit blend into the interior. Might be better to get one of the company's pilots to stand in for the 1st shot with the white shirt, shades and 4 stripes on the shoulder.

Try to do some wider shots showing the whole car and aircraft.

Look for the small details - they are usually the ones that catch you out. For instance the mat at the bottom of the stairs has some creases in it.

Where is the baggage door on the Beech? Having the luggage where it is waiting for the model with the car boot lid open on the opposite side seems wrong. Surely they would put the luggage straight into the boot?

Hopefully this is constructive and not nit picking.

Mark





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Lotuselite
Registered: Feb 14, 2003
Total Posts: 295
Country: Canada

I feel that in the last image the model's head is lost in the window.
Agree with Mark about the miniatures, that is how you get your drinks in coach class.
First Class drinks come in the glass and wine is poured from the bottle so you can see the label.
Or at least it used to be that way.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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Mark's suggestions are worth considering for sure, good eye. When you begin adding people to the compositions, lots of additional factors are introduced. I find that it is very easy to become rushed and distracted by the fact that people are waiting/staring at you waiting for direction, etc. I have to remind myself that I'm in charge of the outcome, the subjects are there for me (the end client actually), and that it takes whatever time it takes to notice all the details and deal with them. Some of this is determined by budget and the desires of the end client.

This is where the photographer has to determine what the client expects, what his personal talent and vision lead him to see as the finished product, and what the budget will stand. Each of Glenn's compositions could, in ideal circumstances take several hours to compose, style, coordinate fashion, light and capture. If that gels with the client's desires, you're golden, but many times they want the best you can come up with in a couple of hours, for five hundred bucks +-, and you have to tell them it won't be a Robb Report ad, because you can't get an Aston for the price of a Camry. And sometimes a nice solid Camry is what they are looking for.

One thing I've learned over the years, you can't second guess the results of a photo shoot, unless you were standing there through the whole process, because you can't begin to know the constraints they boxed the photographer into. Rarely does one have all the time and all the budget required to produce impeccable images, it's always a dance filled with limitations and compromises.



stevezzzz
Registered: Aug 01, 2010
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MMcGrath wrote:
Glenn,

Some ideas of how I would approach this.

I would ditch the miniature bourbon bottles. If your going to have whiskey, have it in a Scotch glass with some ice in it.

Get a proper sized champagne bottle, some long stem flute glasses and rotate the bottle so that the labels aren't visible.

Get the guy to wear different clothes - in the 1st shot he looks like a driver picking up a client, and then in the second wearing the same gear he looks like a business man. The colours of his suit blend into the interior. Might be better to get one of the company's pilots to stand in for the 1st shot with the white shirt, shades and 4 stripes on the shoulder.

Try to do some wider shots showing the whole car and aircraft.

Look for the small details - they are usually the ones that catch you out. For instance the mat at the bottom of the stairs has some creases in it.

Where is the baggage door on the Beech? Having the luggage where it is waiting for the model with the car boot lid open on the opposite side seems wrong. Surely they would put the luggage straight into the boot?

Hopefully this is constructive and not nit picking.

Mark





First, Glenn, it's a very nice concept with a lot of moving parts; you did a terrific job in an unfamiliar situation. I don't think Mark is nit-picking at all, and I hope you don't think so, either. To add to Mark's notes (I'm only going to address the first image here):

- The red carpet is too far from the bottom of the air stair for the female model to step down on easily. The viewer will unconsciously feel uncomfortable for her and won't know why.

- You don't need as much of the car in the frame in order to make your point, and it would allow you to move the luggage to the pavement between the air stair and the car. Besides, the luggage and the car are just props, and they're blocking my view of the gorgeous King Air. The set dressing shouldn't distract from the airframe and the models.

- Pose the pilot with his left hand helping the passenger step down: it looks awkward having him reach across his body and will do less of a number on the drape of his suit. If the clipboard he's holding is intended to help establish his identity as a pilot, make it easier to 'read' in the shot.

- "Henriksen Jet Center" is presumably paying for this shoot, so you'll want to feature their logo in a way that doesn't crowd it so much at the top of the frame and maybe is spaced a little more from the top of the fuselage. Reframe the shot so there's less wasted space at the bottom. Maybe back off a few steps and use a little more reach to tighten the framing and space the logo a bit away from the fuselage.

- Consider a color change for the hangar in Photoshop so it's a little darker and more easily distinguished from the airframe.

- The tailplane and the FBO porch roof are distracting. A pilot can 'read' the tailplane, but it's just a puzzle to solve for the average viewer and occupies a corner of the frame that should be less busy.

Too much? It's easy for me to sit here and critique your work: when you're in the heat of a shoot it's all too easy to overlook some of these little details. It's all a learning experience, right?



stevezzzz
Registered: Aug 01, 2010
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Too funny, Jay. He used up all the travel on that shock strut, didn't he?



msalvetti
Registered: Dec 20, 2003
Total Posts: 3113
Country: United States

stevez wrote:

- The red carpet is too far from the bottom of the air stair for the female model to step down on easily. The viewer will unconsciously feel uncomfortable for her and won't know why.



Wow, I was uncomfortable about this, and I didn't know why. Great description.

Glenn, I wouldn't know where to begin on a shoot like this, except to run from it as fast as I could. Heck, I was extremely uncomfortable trying to get a bunch of high school kids organized for that team photo, and I know all of them. Those points Jim made about feeling rushed and distracted trying to get it all organized, yikes. It would keep me awake at night, not for me.

So I think these are great, and kudos to you for taking this on and growing your skills in this direction. I'm sure in no time you'll be banging these out like your recent A2A shoots - it's obvious to me that you are that talented, and you are capable at excelling at anything you put your mind to.

Mark



Leftcoast_Mike
Registered: Feb 27, 2013
Total Posts: 36
Country: Canada

Hey Mike - great to see you posting here. This man has scary good skills

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Serious/Scary skills indeed!

(This worked out great, I finally have a great photo posted for my TOPP! Thanks Mike!)



Hey Jeff! Thank you both for the kind words, I'm in awe of the skills displayed in this thread!


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Great capture! That is one crushed oleo!



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