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MustangsX2
Registered: Nov 23, 2007
Total Posts: 111
Country: United States

No words for what happened today. I can't imagine what those families are going through.




DanNehmer
Registered: Nov 26, 2009
Total Posts: 308
Country: United States

Harry,

Belle, is a Wired Haired Pointing Griffon. Didn't know what one was either until moving to Iowa last year. The neighbor has one and we fell in love with it, and it's disposition. Just a wonderful bread and we got Belle from the same breeder as the neighbors. Best part is since it's not common, it's not overbred. Very health, and they have a wonderful nose on them too!! Belle is all about birds when she's not just being a sweet loving companion.

Dan



stevezzzz
Registered: Aug 01, 2010
Total Posts: 4071
Country: United States

Still in South Carolina. After yesterday's cold and gray day on the water, today we had a beautiful, crisp day. My sister and her husband arrived at the yacht basin out front of where Marcia and I are staying; after they tied up and answered questions for the admirers on the dock we went out and walked the wildlife refuge again. Not many birds this time of year, but we did find a cardinal working the grassy edge of a saltwater pond.

My heart goes out to the families of the little ones lost today in CT, may they rest in peace.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 19078
Country: United States

Dear MA2A Family,

You don't have to be a Christian to recognize that our world is fallen and it isn't headed in the direction of improvement. There is no picture, even from our wonderfully talented family, that can begin to knock the dust off the terrible events of today. How anyone could be so hate filled and angry that a course of action like this is even considered is far beyond the grasp of most human beings, and so is making any semblance of sense out of it.

What that little town, it's children, parents, grandparents, residents, now have to deal with is unthinkable, unimaginable, and heartbreaking. The unfortunate commonality in these types of events is the fact that the perpetrators, so possessed by evil, don't train their weapons on themselves first, and save the world the loss and grief their venom spreads.

There is nothing we can do about these events, but pray for the families, the towns, the first responders who must see all this from far too close, for everyone who will deal with the loss and the ramifications of today's events, for generations to come. We can also love more, hug more, value each other more, let the little stuff go, hell, let the big stuff go, in contrast, it's all little stuff.



astrobrian
Registered: Sep 27, 2012
Total Posts: 827
Country: United States

Slug69 wrote:
Can someone please post a picture that takes us to a happier place on this darkest of days.

As Jim said, pictures can't begin to heal the wounds created today, but will try to fulfill the request as best I can with some I have.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 19078
Country: United States

Beautiful Brian, so glad you joined the, you're a fine addition to our family.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 19078
Country: United States

Funny how the Words in a two thousand year old book are still so comforting and relevant....................



dehowie
Registered: Oct 22, 2004
Total Posts: 1221
Country: Australia

I disagree Jim that there is nothing Americans can do for the families of he victims of this incredible tragedy.
If every American spoke up wanting guns removed from people with no need for them it would be a start.
It's 2012 and there have been 15 mass shootings in the US this year...15.
All by people with EASY access to weapons many designed for the military but available to the general public.
How is it you can buy an automatic assault rifle?
What possible "need" is there for someone "wanting" a weapon solely designed for killing people?
Again it's 2012 and the "need" for holding guns is long past.
If you cannot see that carrying weapons and the easy access to them does not make you any safer only less safe then take a look at the rest of the world.
With 84 dead this year in mass shootings alone and now 20 children and teachers cut down by another assault weapon wielding gunman maybe just maybe if he couldn't buy a gun designed only for efficient killing this would not of occurred.
He may have got access to a handgun somehow but you can never kill as efficiently with one than an assault rifle.
The right to bare arms was written how many generations ago and in a world so different than the one we live in today as to be irrelevant other than the greed of gun owners and the gun lobby.
The right to own a gun or the right for you to live safely which would you prefer?
As guns have proven to offer no aspect of safety to any member of the general community.
Guns as evidenced guarrantee nothing,not safety,not security.
Having been on the inside of an operation at Australia's biggest shooting in which 35 died seeing the carnage first hand would change anyone's mind about giving guns to everyone.
Tragic to see one of the worlds great countries suffering after what has happened.
If only one positive comes from it it will be the removal of weapons designed for the mass efficient killing of people from a society that should have no need or use for them in 2012.
I'm sure some will disagree but you can't have free access to guns without frequent events like yesterday.
Free access to assault weapons means killings like yesterday will continue..take your choice guns or mass murders of innocent people..pretty easy decision really.
Sorry but it has to be said.



Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
Total Posts: 2922
Country: United States

The people in Chicago do not have the right to guns. Now, since Chicago continues to have the highest gun violence in our nation, tell me how those enormous numbers of people and children killed and wounded are safer?

Next I am sure you will say the guns have to be banned all over the US to be effective. We do that for illegal drugs now, how is that working out.

People against guns always miss the obvious root cause, it isn't guns (BTW, did you read about the fellow in China who slashed 22 children and adults with a knife at a school?). It is people's attitude toward life and the living.

Sorry, but it has to be said.



Go4Long
Registered: Sep 04, 2005
Total Posts: 1984
Country: Canada

Guns don't kill people. There were an additional 20 people slashed yesterday in Japan by a student wielding a knife. Do you suggest we ban knives?

You go off on a rant without fully understanding what you're ranting about. You say that the problem is the access to automatic assault weapons, the weapons used are being reported as being 2 handguns, and a SEMI-automatic 223 bushmaster, not automatic weapons.

The events of yesterday are horrific, but to blame the guns for killing people is like blaming mcdonalds for making people fat...you're not even close to the root of the problem.

The actions of yesterday were the result of a failing of the system, a failing of safe storage, a failing of a mother (RIP) to understand when her child wasn't normal, or when he showed warning signs of being unstable.

I live in a country obsessed with gun control, and I own guns, and I respect guns, as do millions of people in North America alone. The problem isn't with gun ownership, it's with unresponsible gun ownership, and bad parenting.



Go4Long
Registered: Sep 04, 2005
Total Posts: 1984
Country: Canada

On a different topic...if anyone wants a glimpse at the silliness that is going on with our F-35 purchase up here north of the 49th

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2012/12/13/feds-told-truth-on-f-35-opposition-really-about-clipping-air-force-wings



gerov
Registered: Nov 29, 2004
Total Posts: 9001
Country: United States

JWilsonphoto wrote:
Dear MA2A Family,

You don't have to be a Christian to recognize that our world is fallen and it isn't headed in the direction of improvement. There is no picture, even from our wonderfully talented family, that can begin to knock the dust off the terrible events of today. How anyone could be so hate filled and angry that a course of action like this is even considered is far beyond the grasp of most human beings, and so is making any semblance of sense out of it.

What that little town, it's children, parents, grandparents, residents, now have to deal with is unthinkable, unimaginable, and heartbreaking. The unfortunate commonality in these types of events is the fact that the perpetrators, so possessed by evil, don't train their weapons on themselves first, and save the world the loss and grief their venom spreads.

There is nothing we can do about these events, but pray for the families, the towns, the first responders who must see all this from far too close, for everyone who will deal with the loss and the ramifications of today's events, for generations to come. We can also love more, hug more, value each other more, let the little stuff go, hell, let the big stuff go, in contrast, it's all little stuff.



very eloquent Jim. Thank you.



NightOwl Cat
Registered: Feb 19, 2007
Total Posts: 9068
Country: United States

If anyone was planning on touring the museum here, several galleries are closed while they clean up some fuel they discovered was still in one of the planes:

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123330107

My prayers go out to those in Newtown and to the brother of the shooter, who has nothing more to do with the events than being related to the shooter and his first victim. Their grandmother (mother of their mother) is still alive in Florida and also has my prayers in this very difficult time.



DanNehmer
Registered: Nov 26, 2009
Total Posts: 308
Country: United States

It's not about guns. We live in a world where daily someone uses explosives to kill innocent, somewhere else it's a knife, yes guns are used too, but also clubs, stones and anything else that can be turned into a weapon. We live in a world that increasingly de-values life and it seems that is the core issue.

Dan



Chainshot
Registered: Aug 19, 2010
Total Posts: 227
Country: United States

dehowie - an assault rifle WAS not used. He used two hand guns, taken from his mother. You cannot legislate people intent on harming others.

Me...I'm seriously thinking about a CCW license.



Go4Long
Registered: Sep 04, 2005
Total Posts: 1984
Country: Canada

Chainshot wrote:
dehowie - an assault rifle WAS not used. He used two hand guns, taken from his mother. You cannot legislate people intent on harming others.

Me...I'm seriously thinking about a CCW license.



2 handguns and a bushmaster 223 were found at the scene.The bushmaster looks scary, but it's really just a standard semi-auto .223 that's dressed up. Handguns are being reported to be a glock and a sig sauer.

It's been said a thousand times...guns don't kill people.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 19078
Country: United States

Dear Dehowie,

Trite as it might sound, the bumper sticker is accurate, when having guns is criminal, only criminals will have guns. Do I think anyone needs an assault rifle, probably not. Do I think the right to concealed carry should be taken away, absolutely not. Most of those incidents would have been cut short if there had been a trained concealed carry individual in the mix. Wrei, Steven and the others are right on the money. Just look at the stats for states that have enacted concealed carry. The knee jerk is always gun control. Well 2,785 people died in Texas in 2011 in alcohol related traffic accidents. That's just one state, should we take alcohol off the shelf? Why hell no, instead we just legalized weed in a couple. More reasoned government interaction. And, it is perfectly legal to murder 20 million unborn in all of our states, barely a wimper over those mass murders.

Dan is right, and this is slippery slope we are on as a society, welfare, The Great Society, lack of personal culpability, the cradle to grave mentality that took a giant step forward in November of this year, the ever flexible benchmark of right v wrong, all these factors have contributed mightily to the destruction of the family which, in turn has torn large holes in the fabric of American society.

Things will get better (and it appears that that will not be the trend) when people take responsibility for their actions, when parents actually parent, when children are taught a standard and held to it, by two parents........uh of opposite sexes, when the majority of our population actually has a conviction about working for what they receive. When we concentrate, as a whole on caring for those who REALLY cannot care for themselves. You know, it's not verbalized much, but the principles God put forth for His faithful to follow work very well. Adherence to them actually serve to keep us and society on track, but we've become far too sophisticated to be constrained by those principles, by love, by honesty, by looking at our daily actions through a servants perspective, by remembering that we are to be "second" or third, or fourth, but never first. That our lives, our spouses, our children, our friends, our business associates are all gifts to be valued and nurtured. It has become largely about "us" and how we feel at the moment, what's "right" for me. Taken to extreme, the evolution of this societal trend is seen in the 20 year old who perpetrated the horrific events yesterday. In his mind his actions were justifiable because it was all about how he felt, his pain, whatever injustices had been done to him, narcissism perfected.

Yes Slug, if assault rifles were outlawed, and I'd probably vote for that if the government appetite wouldn't have .22 target pistols in it's sights next, that demented piece of slime might not have taken so many precious lives so quickly and easily. However, anyone knows that he could have, would have accomplished his evil deed with a pistol and a couple of clips, or any number of weapons. Once again we will concentrate not on the root cause of our societal illness, we'll blame it on some tool, enact more laws that are unenforceable, appoint a czar or two to restrict honest citizen's freedoms, and on down our slippery slope we'll careen.



Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
Total Posts: 2922
Country: United States

Jim...yep!



nrferguson
Registered: Apr 20, 2004
Total Posts: 2382
Country: United Kingdom

Chainshot wrote:
dehowie - an assault rifle WAS not used. He used two hand guns, taken from his mother. You cannot legislate people intent on harming others.

Me...I'm seriously thinking about a CCW license.



My mother, now deceased, never owned two hand guns, and I'm not aware that I have ever known anyone with a mother who owned two handguns! Whilst I agree that banning guns won't stop appalling events like this (and the UK has IMHO gone far too far to the other extreme, where UK Olympic pistol competitors have to go abroad to practice), I find it hard to believe that the ready availability of such weapons in the USA doesn't make such events more likely and frequent. Obviously with so many handguns and assault rifles etc already in the public domain it will take a long time to reduce their availability, but guns were readily available in the UK 100 years ago - you have to start somewhere!
Niall



Bill Gass
Registered: Feb 09, 2006
Total Posts: 4107
Country: United States

The really sad thing about this is the basturds that kill people ( that don't commit suicide right after ) get there hand slapped and go to prison for the rest of their life while we pay for them to live nice and cozy. God forbid we make an example out of it or hung anyone. If people knew there would be some serious consequence for a crime they might think twice i bet.



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