Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel
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futurshox
Registered: Feb 15, 2008
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A bit of digging turns up the display team Al Fursan from UAE, who fly Aermacchi MB339 aircraft in that paint scheme. They look pretty cool! I wonder what they are doing in London?



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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Welcome Almass! Lady Jo wins the quick ID prize!



JWilsonphoto
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Great shot Glenn. Did you get those through a fence? What do you suppose credentials offer that you can't get just walking around?



futurshox
Registered: Feb 15, 2008
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Probably quite a lot. I don't believe any of Glenn's shots were through a fence, and not mine either. There are two fences, once about 10 feet in front of the other. The credentialed guys can get in between but we can't, so you can't get close enough to the fences to really lose them with focus. I did try some fence shots but have yet to get all my pictures onto a computer. The other thing is the fences have a lot of horizontal wires which are hard to lose, too.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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Thanks for the insight Jo. I hd an interesting conversation a few days ago. Remember how we commented on the L39 team at Thunder Over Cedar Creek? They didn't seem to be able to fly any semblance of a formation, and when they got anywhere near each other it looked more like an accident (and I mean that in every sense of the word), than an actual plan. Turns out the FAA felt the same way and grounded the pilots at a subsequent show when they exhibited similar antics, along with one of them clipping a hangar or something.

BTW, speaking of credentials, we, and you know who "we" are, are credentialed for this year's Thunder and will be given the run of the event. Who wants to volunteer for the show center pontoon boat vantage point?



Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
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Jim, this photo, by jawoods, is on the Sports Corner. It shows some of the credentialed people at CoTA.







JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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Re: the fences. I can just about lose a brick column with the shallow depth of field of the 800, but I would imagine that lens would produce a considerable amount of "jello" on a moderately warm day what with a black track and the subjects being ground bound. Wonder if they'd even let me in with an 800, without credentials. Apparently I'll know more about all of that by the first part of next week.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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Thanks Wrei, that kind of tells me what I needed to know.



futurshox
Registered: Feb 15, 2008
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Handy for the loo, then!

Actually speaking of loos, another area in which I must congratulate CoTA, they must have hired every portapotty in Texas. You never had to wait in line. They even had banks of them near the buses, at each end of the bus route.



futurshox
Registered: Feb 15, 2008
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Jim, you could probably take the 800 in without a problem. I saw a lot of big lenses over the weekend, folks were certainly carrying fixed 400/500 primes (with monopods!) and I guess the gate staff are not going to discern one big lens from the next.

Although I wonder how happy they would be about your cart full of large cases...



Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
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Wonder if an intuitive photographer with great people skills (Jim Wilson) could convince the owners a square frame could be inserted in the fence to allow a lens shade to pass through. Seems this could be done without losing the strength required for the chain fence. The only pro-like shots I have seen have been by the Austin MA2A pros. The one post in the Sports Corner look like they were over the fence...RVs?



futurshox
Registered: Feb 15, 2008
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There actually were a few camera holes cut into the fence around by turn 12. Mainly for video cameras I think; there was a long rectangle for the TV guy raised high up - he was on a platform. The was another hole lower down but the view from that was obstructed by barriers, so I don't quite understand that one.



Tim Adams
Registered: Jan 01, 2004
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After reading some posts in one of the sportscar racing forums I read, don't expect fan friendly access like fans enjoy at places like Road Atlanta and Road America. Both of those tracks have very few fences, and many areas where you can shoot without credentials. From the shot above, if that's credentialed access, count me out!! Not that I would ever be able to get F1 credentials.



Glenn Watson
Registered: Nov 13, 2007
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There are good spots at turn 2,6,9,and 11 where the GA area is high enough to catch a corner exit without any fence. At lot of the bleachers have wheel chair ramps you can walk half way up and get over a fence. you can walk real "slow" up the track bridge stairs and shoot over. Granted I was there on the first practice day only - was sat/sun a lot more crowded Jo/Wrei? You're right about the atmospherics and the long lens - not much distance between those cars and the black top!


Glenn



Bill Gass
Registered: Feb 09, 2006
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I didn't know Jo had a plane named after her
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Photo credit to: Philip Wallick in the Ghost Warbird 2013 calendar.



Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
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The CoTA may have future plans for credentialed access like stands/platforms. I understand the operators were under heavy pressure to get the track ready per the schedule. They still have one more layer of surface to apply after this event. There was still gravel sidewalks around the dinning tents and grand stand area (which you can see in the photo at the top of the previous page). I was told they focused on the operational areas and not the support functions. However, watchng on TV, the drivers, crews and TV announcers were very excited for the new track, they loved the topography and track layout.



Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
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Attendance expected for Sat/Sun was 83k/100k respectively.



Almass
Registered: Feb 11, 2011
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Thank you JWilsonphoto - astrobrian

Also thank you futurshox (Jo?)
I took these pics this morning in Dubai, I think they are training for the Union day celebrations in a fortnight.
Probably they will be at it tomorrow and I've got the Gimbal and the 300 on the ready.



futurshox
Registered: Feb 15, 2008
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Ah, that makes more sense if you're in Dubai, I was looking at your user location... Hope you get some good shots.

Bill, I saw that Mustang at Oshkosh a few years ago and failed dismally to have my photo taken with it! Haven't seen it since...

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/on-f1s-big-day-an-austin-success/nS9WR/ reports there were 117K people there yesterday, amongst other news.



Tim Adams
Registered: Jan 01, 2004
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Country: United States

Lady Jo is based in CA. It's all over the west coast and at Reno every year. Not seen very often East of the Rockies.



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