Mark - My mistake. I'm used to the Phase and Hassy backs (pixel count & sensor sizes). If there aren't micro lenses on the Aptus 65, then the 1Ds3 may be pretty sharp after all. I've seen images that make me think it's soft, then others which look very sharp. The problem with this hobby is that you have buy & try this stuff for firsthand to know for sure

I'm feeling pretty comfortable with AFD II / P25 combo, so the Canon equipment is going to be sold during the next month. It's hard to give it up because it's been a very good system. I'd like to have both the 1Ds2 kit and medium format, but there's not enough money to do that.

no problem. i am in a similar situation as well.. with the MF vs canon or both

One thing i noticed with some experimenting tonight. I took the same raw images and processed in both DPP and CS3. EVen when i tried to do the best i could to match the colors were more accurate in DPP. Skin tones also better. What was interesting is that i put the DPP sharpening to 3 or 4. I then tried about 10 different ways to sharpen the CS3 including a few with small incremental sharpening and in no case could i get the detail I got in DPP without getting severe artifacts. I have seen this with two images now that i was working with.

Using DPP is like getting a new camera, color is better, sharpening is out of this world.

PS or LR win because of the workflow.

Edmund

Edmund. You hit the nail with hammer. I do not like the workflow but the results are really much better. I had only used older versions of DPP and hated it. So i am coming back to it now...

eronald wrote:
Using DPP is like getting a new camera, color is better, sharpening is out of this world.

PS or LR win because of the workflow.

Edmund

There was an interesting thread recently somewhere on the forums that talked about the differences in sharpening between ACR and DPP. It was rather interesting.

I really wish Canon/Adobe would partner to fix ACR's color. Also, IMHO I feel as though DPP gives less noise in the mid-tones (with NR turned off in both), but I've only done a couple quick tests.

Nick

mark1958 wrote:

Edmund. You hit the nail with hammer. I do not like the workflow but the results are really much better. I had only used older versions of DPP and hated it. So i am coming back to it now...

eronald wrote:
Using DPP is like getting a new camera, color is better, sharpening is out of this world.

PS or LR win because of the workflow.

Edmund


Have you guys tried Photokit Sharpener? This was developed by Bruce Fraser prior to his death at his company called Pixel Genius. Jeff Schewe is also a principal of that company and carries on the work. it is the best set of sharpening algorithms I have yet tried.

Woody

Can you get a demo version and will it work on a Mac

I am convinced that DPP makes a huge difference in processing 1DsmkIII files

Yes, there are demo versions of Photokit Sharpener, and yes it works on a Mac. It's a fantastic product in my experience.

Photokit sharpener also has a great manual, which teaches you about sharpening in addition to about how to use the product.

DPP, ACR, C1 all add sharpening that you can't turn off and it all looks different - Bibble is the only RAW processor I know that introduces no hidden sharpening and the latest version supports the 1Ds3. When you start with a file has no sharpening you can apply much more rigorous and aggressive sharpening at later stages before unwanted artefacts become apparent.

You can turn off the sharpening in ACR. I also believe the same is true in DPP.

Mark, is it possible for you to post the Canon RAW file, or perhaps, both the Leaf and the Canon RAWs? If not, that's fine, but I enjoy messing with RAW files in 5,000 different RAW converters.

mark1958 wrote:
You can turn off the sharpening in ACR. I also believe the same is true in DPP. You can turn the sharpening sliders to zero but there is still sharpening being applied - it can't be turned off. It's quite obvious when you look at side by side at 100% with Bibble.

Robert i am happy to send you a few raw files. I need an account or someway to post them

RobertP wrote:
Mark, is it possible for you to post the Canon RAW file, or perhaps, both the Leaf and the Canon RAWs? If not, that's fine, but I enjoy messing with RAW files in 5,000 different RAW converters.

I am happy to send some raw files from the 1DsmkIII and leaf .. just send me your email and i will send via a file sharing link

I am happy to send some raw files from the 1DsmkIII and leaf .. just send me your email and i will send via a file sharing link

You can use yousendit, and then email it to yourself, then post the yousendit download link here for everyone to access (for 100 downloads, 7 days I believe).

You can use yousendit, and then email it to yourself, then post the yousendit download link here for everyone to access (for 100 downloads, 7 days I believe).

i have a link feel free.. These are two files, a canon and leaf. The canon was taken with a contax zeiss 35mm PC f8. The hasselblad/leaf f8 but i do not remember if this was a 50mm-110mm or 35mm HC lens. I have tests with the 85mm/1.2 II as well.

http://www.transferbigfiles.com/Get.aspx?id=8a7d0a4b-4d37-4ee0-879f-50bfe0a335f0

i have a link feel free.. These are two files, a canon and leaf. The canon was taken with a contax zeiss 35mm PC f8. The hasselblad/leaf f8 but i do not remember if this was a 50mm-110mm or 35mm HC lens. I have tests with the 85mm/1.2 II as well.

http://www.transferbigfiles.com/Get.aspx?id=8a7d0a4b-4d37-4ee0-879f-50bfe0a335f0