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> Updated, tripod, evaluative/matrix metering, WB 5000k, AV priority.
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Nice action figure...

isn't this an old post? i've seen this before...

Well, we knew this would start to happen. Some cameras work better after post processing, the D200 is a prime example. And though it is ok, the 24-105 L is not the greatest lens in the world either.... (and from what I'm hearing, the 24 -70 Nikkor very well could be)

Still, the D3 doesn't have a direct print button. If thats straight out of the camera results, maybe it bloody well should!

It does appear that Nikon now has better focus, better metering, better lighting system, and now better high ISO.

What can Canon shooters say now? Maybe more options on glass, but who really needs that many options?

j.curtis wrote:
It does appear that Nikon now has better focus, better metering, better lighting system, and now better high ISO.

What can Canon shooters say now? Maybe more options on glass, but who really needs that many options?

The one thing they can say is that they have a wide angle tilt/shift and that about it! But they lack a few things like a 200-400VR and an 18-200VR and things like and FX to DX crop and CLS ...

But I want a wide angle tilt/shift!

Andre Labonte wrote:
j.curtis wrote:
It does appear that Nikon now has better focus, better metering, better lighting system, and now better high ISO.

What can Canon shooters say now? Maybe more options on glass, but who really needs that many options?

The one thing they can say is that they have a wide angle tilt/shift and that about it! But they lack a few things like a 200-400VR and an 18-200VR and things like and FX to DX crop and CLS ...

But I want a wide angle tilt/shift!

in that case you need to abandon ship. i don't think nikon will make that tilt/shift in the near future...
Have you tried the 1DmkIII? i did. it felt pretty good. and since i never shoot in caves i don't mind that it's so bad in high iso. hahaha.

it's just my current load of nikon lenses that keep me on the dark side. hm and i tried the D3 and that is not so bad either.

really wishes he won the jackpot in the lottery to buy the D3.

the noise it's self might be a bit better on the 1dm3 up iso 800, but in every other way the d3 is just in a different league.

Better noise? Maybe but we're comparing full frame Nikon vs a cropped Canon dSLR so most expected better noise already. Sharpness? Can't be determined here. 24-105 doesn't even compare to the 28-70 in that regard so the Canon image is already at a disadvantage. If possible someone needs to do a test with the same lens on both cameras using a Nikon to EOS adapter. Pick a sharp prime lens. I like the 1D3 colors in these pics, less yellow cast and yes, my monitor is calibrated. Both cameras are capable of amazing image quality so it doesn't matter to me who wins the challenge. The 1Ds MKIII will beat both cameras in IQ so Canon is still the company to beat for ultimate IQ. For camera features and ergs Nikon is the leader.

White, Jack wrote:
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...The 1Ds MKIII will beat both cameras in IQ so Canon is still the company to beat for ultimate IQ. For camera features and ergs Nikon is the leader.


Better resolutions from the 1Ds MKIII but better IQ ?? That is yet to be determined. More pixels does not equate to better IQ as there are many other factors. At any rate, based on what I see the D3 is kicking the but of the 1D MKIII. Remember that the D3 was designed for sports and PJ just like the 1D MKIII. Though, you do have a good point about the lenses.

Oh, welcome to the Nikon forum Mr. Canon Shooter!

If Canon will still produce better IQ how come the amount of Canon people checking out and replying to the Nikon forum has grew substantially?

I can see Canon taking a huge hit from the release of the D3. (I better get my copy before some Canon user does!)

24-70 L should have been used over the 24-105. The 24-105 is much softer than the 24-70 L.

the OP says that he converted the files. I thought that there was no program including those from nikon that could convert the NEFs froma D3.

People who have tested the camera such as scott kelby and moose peterson say they have only been able to see JPG's.

NEF converted with ViewNX, CR2 converted with DPP

ViewNX is a viewer Nikon supplies (always has supplied, previously called Nikon view, for free and the new cameras are supported.

I'll take the noise level of either camera; but, I won't trade the focus and ergonomic of Nikon. I was real glad to see that Nikon didn't scrap the D2Xs body and controls in creating the D3. It should be a pretty easy transition from the D2's to the D3. The Canon Mark II owners were not too happy that the Mark III didn't adopt the Mark II controls/menus.

James R wrote:
I'll take the noise level of either camera; but, I won't trade the focus and ergonomic of Nikon. I was real glad to see that Nikon didn't scrap the D2Xs body and controls in creating the D3. It should be a pretty easy transition from the D2's to the D3. The Canon Mark II owners were not too happy that the Mark III didn't adopt the Mark II controls/menus.


I disagree I think most of us were very happy with the new controls. Much easier to navigate then before.

James R wrote:
I'll take the noise level of either camera; but, I won't trade the focus and ergonomic of Nikon. I was real glad to see that Nikon didn't scrap the D2Xs body and controls in creating the D3. It should be a pretty easy transition from the D2's to the D3. The Canon Mark II owners were not too happy that the Mark III didn't adopt the Mark II controls/menus.


I disagree I think most of us were very happy with the new controls. Much easier to navigate then before.

Bruce,

The negative comments were from sports shooters who post on Sportsshooter.com. Now that you have disagreed, I will change my post to state "many" or "some." My point is still I'm glad Nikon didn't make wholesale changes.

Wow really amazing. The D3 blows the Canon out of the water.

A little OT... but...

I must say that Canon is making progress in terms of build and handling... I shot with a 40D tonight for the first time and for the first time came away impressed that a Canon consumer / prosumer camera didn't feel too "plasticky" and - forgive me Canon shooters - a little cheap to me. The 5D and the 30D both didn't impress me this way. I still find the controls foreign of course, and would never give up that sublime Nikon ergos and layout and build, but it doesn't appear to be the gap I used to feel it was. Except for the 1D series, the 40D was the first Canon I've handled that felt like it could withstand regular abuse, similar to the standard of the D200 this way.

Competition is a good thing... it's nice to have the two big guys to keep each other honest, and now that Nikon is again a serious competitor - if not the new leader - in the pro bodies (after a few years of nothing new to compete with), it's good for everyone on BOTH sides of the line.

dj dunzie wrote:
A little OT... but...

I must say that Canon is making progress in terms of build and handling... I shot with a 40D tonight for the first time and for the first time came away impressed that a Canon consumer / prosumer camera didn't feel too "plasticky" and - forgive me Canon shooters - a little cheap to me. The 5D and the 30D both didn't impress me this way. I still find the controls foreign of course, and would never give up that sublime Nikon ergos and layout and build, but it doesn't appear to be the gap I used to feel it was. Except for the 1D series, the 40D was the first Canon I've handled that felt like it could withstand regular abuse, similar to the standard of the D200 this way.

Competition is a good thing... it's nice to have the two big guys to keep each other honest, and now that Nikon is again a serious competitor - if not the new leader - in the pro bodies (after a few years of nothing new to compete with), it's good for everyone on BOTH sides of the line.

agreed! while i was at the camerashop testing the D3(00, i also tried the new canons. Hey why not? i'm an photo hobbyist and i like everything . The 40D looks like a fine camera. the LCD is ugly compared to the new nikons. but to be honest i only use that for checking blown higlights and histograms. so..
But i also tried the canon 1DmkIII. and that felt great. realy. sure ergonomics (read button placement and menu handling) is different. but i'm sure i can get used to that in no time. In fact i've had a hard time operating the D300! i'm used to the D2x (and thus D3) lay-out, so i had to search for some options. Very simple things, like the iso settings. on my D2x it's just on the back, i didn't realize that it is on the top of the D200 and D300.so i had to search. That said: you have to get used to a camera. And i'm sure i can get used to the canon pretty soon.

Don't flame me for this, but the canon felt better in my hand i can't help it. Both the D3 and 1DmkIII where about the same size and weight, but somehow the canon felt pretty good. Maybe tha't just because it came cool out of the box. The D3 was hot and sweaty and drooled all over.

Anyhoo, nikon has announced some fine new toys for me to play around with and since even my budget has it's limitations :worried:, i can't afford to get a canon. Sheesh i will have to buy a lot of glass and that's no go with the boss
Lucky for me Nikon offers a nice serie as well

This comparison is so wrong! Firstly, DPP can do a way better job if the user configures it correctly. And secondly, ViewNX was never designed to process RAW files the best way. It is funny how people think that once you use RAW you'll always get better results than the camera JPEG. This is simply not true for today's modern cameras.

All I have to say is 'wow!', the noise in those D3 images really is the most film grain-like I've ever seen.

Max Penson wrote:
It is funny how people think that once you use RAW you'll always get better results than the camera JPEG. This is simply not true for today's modern cameras.

Do you have a lot to learn.

First of all, jpeg is compresses the image. How can one say there is no loss in image quality? You can't.

Secondly this is getting way off topic.

The Nikon does looks great and so does the Canon. I wouldnt buy either one of them though -

I use Canon to capture light. I use my brain to get pictures.