dcmiller wrote:
I also expect the amazon listing will disappear soon.....


Yup, it just did.....

So there was price info on amazon? There was not when I looked. I see the pisel pitch is 6.4

my confirmation e-mail:


Shipping Method: One-Day Shipping
Shipping Preference: Group my items into as few shipments as possible
Subtotal of Items: $7,999.99
Shipping & Handling: $27.93
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Total for this Order: $8,027.92


Shipping estimate for these items: December 10, 2007
Delivery estimate: December 11, 2007
1 "Canon EOS 1Ds Mark III 21.1MP Digital SLR Camera (Body Only)"
Electronics; $7,999.99

Sold by: Amazon.com

Owning a 1DSM2 I can say with confidence that if they don't release a new line of much higher resolution lenses the additional resolution is meaningless as none of the current line of lenses can fully resolve 16.7MP.

Duncan: do you mean that even the telephotos like the 85mm primes, 135mm primes, 200mm primes, and 70-200mm zooms cannot full resolve the 1ds II?

I noticed that in the 1DsMk3 specs page that it can only do ISO3200 I hope that's just a wrong entry, seeing as the smaller APS-H sensor on the 1DMk3 can get to ISO6400.

'Canon cannot deny the laws of physics.'

Their marketing department can take a run at it though

How so? 1Ds3 has a larger sensor than the 1D3, if anything, it should be easier to get ISO6400, assuming everything else is equal.

How so? 1Ds3 has a larger sensor than the 1D3, if anything, it should be easier to get ISO6400, assuming everything else is equal.

It's not teh size of the sensor as a whole, it's (more or less) the pixel size. The 1Ds has 2.1x as many pixels, but the whole area of the sensor is only 1.69x (1.3 times 1.3) as large, which means that each individual pixel is smaller.

The numbers won't work out precisely correct because of the effects of non-active pixel areas mitigated by microlenses, but more or less, you'd expect the 1Ds3 to have more noise on a given pixel than the 1D3.

Yes - I have had to purchase Zeiss and Leica glass to bring out the potential of the camera. I don't own either 85 or 135 but the 70-200/2.8L is a no go in terms of resolution. The best two Canon lenses that resolve well but not fully are the 50/2.5 macro and 100/2.8 macro. Nothing in the wide range - I have purchased Zeiss and Leica 28 primes.

I can't speak for the new 50, 85L or 200/1.8L as I don't have them.

Duncan

Oh, okay, I assumed everything else was equal, and that the 1Ds3 had the same 7.2um pixel pitch as the 1D3, along with the other sensor improvements like narrower microlens gaps & bigger active area. It turns out it has the same pixel pitch as on the 350D/20D/30D (6.4um).

I'm looking forward to DPP 3.2, included in the announcement. What a great list of added tools.

Wonder when they will allow us to download that new version.

Geez mine has AF issues.. wont focus at all

Well they yanked the ad. Seems like it said release in Dec

mark1958 wrote:
Geez mine has AF issues.. wont focus at all

Well they yanked the ad. Seems like it said release in Dec

Where did it say December?

Among the other things already stated, several things are suspect. The listing above states that the rank in the photo section was #59. But Amazon always lists the sales at two levels: first for "Cameras and Photo" and secondly for "Camera & Photo>Digital Cameras>Digital SLRs". The listing above only has the overall sales rank.

Furthermore, the Canon EOS 1D MK III has an overall sales rank of #263 (and a Digital SLR sales rank of #22). There's only one left in stock and it's been sitting there for a while, so it doesn't sell quickly. I find it hard to believe that an $8000 body that hasn't been released yet could achieve an overall sales rank of #59.

So I think someone at Cameta or whoever is listing the camera at Amazon was playing with our heads.

It said release date Dec 10

RikWriter wrote:
mark1958 wrote:
Geez mine has AF issues.. wont focus at all

Well they yanked the ad. Seems like it said release in Dec

Where did it say December?

Looks like they put the GPS in the 40D, but not the 1DS3. They are still dragging their feet on 16 bit also. Guess I go to the Mamiya ZD.

AGeoJO wrote:
dcmiller wrote:
I also expect the amazon listing will disappear soon.....


Yup, it just did.....


I sometimes wonder if Canon cuts deals with large retailers to run these very early ads. It would be a good way to conduct market research without spending any money and the retailer gets to "offer" something before anyone else.

So I hope this puts Nikon's panties in one basket and they release something to compete with this. Sooner than later. This will definitely shift consumers to Canon with no new apparent upgrades in the future to their product line besides the lower end cameras (d40).

If this new camera has the same AF system as the Mark III, then I don't want to buy this camera. The whole internet is screaming about the serious AF problems with this earlier released camera. My friend has one, and went nearly crazy right now, especially because Canon Belgium is denying this problem !!!

I think I go for the Phase One P20+ on a Hasselblad.

Edited by jwstudios on Aug 19, 2007 at 08:17 PM GMT

Edited by jwstudios on Aug 19, 2007 at 08:18 PM GMT

Angus MacGyver wrote:
I noticed that in the 1DsMk3 specs page that it can only do ISO3200 I hope that's just a wrong entry, seeing as the smaller APS-H sensor on the 1DMk3 can get to ISO6400.

That doesn't seem right. But they did get the sensor size wrong, so maybe this is a mistake too. Adding one stop in three years doesn't seem like too much to expect.

But I have no idea why they would give amazon a preliminary marketing document.

I expect the first cameras at the end of Sept. That is how I remember fall releases in the past.

dcmiller wrote:
Angus MacGyver wrote:
I noticed that in the 1DsMk3 specs page that it can only do ISO3200 I hope that's just a wrong entry, seeing as the smaller APS-H sensor on the 1DMk3 can get to ISO6400.

That doesn't seem right. But they did get the sensor size wrong, so maybe this is a mistake too. Adding one stop in three years doesn't seem like too much to expect.


But does this 1DsmkIII seem to have smaller pixels than the 1DmkIII ? If the later is a 1.25x crop, with 10 MP, then a FF sensor with the same density would be around 15.6 MP... less than the 1DmkII, which could explain why the former would haver harder time to go to high ISO. Furthermore, if the 1DsmkIII is supposed to be more like a studio/landscape camera, then maybe high ISO would be less critical to the targeted users.

If that Amazon spec turns out to be accurate, then the 1Ds3 would have one disadvantage over the upcoming 5DMk2: the latter could most probably have ISO6400 like the 1D3 since it would have the same pixel pitch (7.2um), assuming it would have all the other sensor improvements made for the 1D3.

1D2 (8.2um, 8.2MP) -> 1D3 (7.2um, 10.1MP) ISO6400
5D (8.2um, 12.8MP)-> 5D2 (7.2um, 16.7MP)?
1Ds2 (7.2um, 16.7MP)-> 1Ds3 (6.4um, 21MP)?

Duncan_Staples wrote:
Owning a 1DSM2 I can say with confidence that if they don't release a new line of much higher resolution lenses the additional resolution is meaningless as none of the current line of lenses can fully resolve 16.7MP.

well, the pixel sensor size is no different from that one the 20D so....
many of the better lenses can certainly handle it find anywhere near the center. maybe a 17-40L will be getting nasty at the edges and corners, but i think the 300 2.8 IS will be pretty good even there.

jwstudios wrote:
If this new camera has the same AF system as the Mark III, then I don't want to buy this camera. The whole internet is screaming about the serious AF problems with this earlier released camera. My friend has one, and went nearly crazy right now, especially because Canon Belgium is denying this problem !!!

I think I go for the Phase One P20+ on a Hasselblad.

Edited by jwstudios on Aug 19, 2007 at 08:17 PM GMT

Edited by jwstudios on Aug 19, 2007 at 08:18 PM GMT

you are going to go run around and shoot the types of things that the 1DMkIII might have issues with with P20+ on a Hasselblad??