The III has some key advantages over the 40D:
+ Lower noise, very usable to ISO 2500+
+ Auto focus at f/8
+ Micro-focus adjustment.
+ Accurate focus, yes thats right
+ Raw buffer size

I'm surprised Canon didn't include micro-focus adjustment for the 40D,
would have saved them countless service calls,
and put an stop to the endless front focus / back focus complaints on web sites.

$1299 for a 40D is a great price but no way I can imagine,
it will compete on accurate focus and noise level at high ISO's to the lead $4499 III.
The 1.6x's never have before I can't see it starting now...


Edited by JackCnd on Aug 19, 2007 at 09:45 AM GMT

Angus MacGyver wrote:
I can think of some features they weren't able to include in the 40D: AF micro-adjustment, built-in wireless, built-in AF assist light (w/o using the pop-up flash), dedicated/programmable MLU button, native ISO3200 or extended IS06400... =P

I think the micro-adjustment is something they could, but were not willing to add. It's a serious high-end option, for those who really know what they are doing, and have the equipment to make good use of it. It makes sense to leave this as a 1D series-only option.

I ordered the 40D from Amazon last night when the page was working. Even though the page has been pulled apparently my order still got in. Shipping estimate is 10/1-10/5 but Amazon is usually a lot quicker than its estimates. I'm excited.

I ordered it with the kit lens for $1500, and now it's still saying it's a 28-135mm in my order status page (but the link to the purchasing page is gone). I'm pretty sure the lens will be the new 18-55IS though.

You must have had that link cached or something... because it is NOT there now... Do a shift reload... and you'll likely find it will not work any more...

Here are some links to the text data that was included in the amazon URLs... (there is no formating in this, so you'll have to scroll over to the side or something...

Canon's description (as can be seen in previous posting above)
http://dynomohum.com/40D_canon.txt

More detailed 'specs'...
http://dynomohum.com/40D_specs.txt

I ordered that Kit as well... If it comes with the 18-55mm IS lens... then I will very likely return it. I want the 28-135mm IS lens as it states in the main heading for the order... I have a Tamron 17-50mm f2.8 lens (that I purchased from Amazon) and do not want a 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 IS lens... even if it does have 4 stops of IS... Besides, it seems I could buy that lens for $200 by itself if I really wanted to...

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Stunnaz wrote:
I ordered the 40D from Amazon last night when the page was working. Even though the page has been pulled apparently my order still got in. Shipping estimate is 10/1-10/5 but Amazon is usually a lot quicker than its estimates. I'm excited.

I ordered it with the kit lens for $1500, and now it's still saying it's a 28-135mm in my order status page (but the link to the purchasing page is gone). I'm pretty sure the lens will be the new 18-55IS though.

Or you could look above, this was copied from the page whwn it was up.

""How about the fact that opening the cf door doesn't shut the camera down anymore? Canon actually listens to customers?""

Took seven years. Not sure if that is listening. Seems more like randomly hitting on something by accident.

I didn't plan on keeping either lens (18-55 or 28-135) but figured the kit package must be a better deal. Now I kind of wish I had just gotten the body as the 18-55 IS lens appears to cost $200 by itself. I'm also hoping it comes with the 28-135mm.

It'll take another 3 years for them to do something about that print button....

Have we decided if it's weather-sealed or not based on the Amazon description?

Stunnaz wrote:
Have we decided if it's weather-sealed or not based on the Amazon description?

they said it has some sealing against dust.

Actually it says...

"upgraded dust- and weather-resistant construction"

Looks like it has weather sealing from what they said.

I think leaving the micro-adjust feature off was genius, I think way too many people would have gotten themselves in trouble with it.

Did you notice in the last amazon specs that the 40d was up to #21 in sales for cameras on the site. This 'mistake' got them plenty of orders lol.

The Auto ISO setting would be a handy feature (About time we had a auto ISO setting).

For the first time in any EOS camera, the 40D model offers Auto ISO capability in Creative Zone exposure modes. This valuable new feature adjusts the ISO speed to the optimal setting based on low light or shaky shooting conditions.

but print button rocks !!!!

A replacement grip. I'm supposing that might translate into 'jee that last one was a peice of crap for the money, were too embarassed to continuing selling it'

Steve

pixelman wrote:
but print button rocks !!!!

A replacement grip. I'm supposing that might translate into 'jee that last one was a peice of crap for the money, were too embarassed to continuing selling it'

Steve

More a case of 'we sealed the body, now how about the grip?'

The 40D is not weather sealed it is weather resistant. Thats a big difference in my book. The 1 series are weather sealed everywhere. It is still a big improvement from non weather resistant.

The specs say with upgraded dust- and weather-resistant construction, particularly around the camera's connection ports, battery compartment, and single-slot compact flash (CF) memory card door.

Bruce Sawle wrote:
The 40D is not weather sealed it is weather resistant. Thats a big difference in my book. The 1 series are weather sealed everywhere. It is still a big improvement from non weather resistant.

The specs say with upgraded dust- and weather-resistant construction, particularly around the camera's connection ports, battery compartment, and single-slot compact flash (CF) memory card door.
So that means "some" protection from dust/spray! Right

pixelman wrote:
""How about the fact that opening the cf door doesn't shut the camera down anymore? Canon actually listens to customers?""

Took seven years. Not sure if that is listening. Seems more like randomly hitting on something by accident.

You must be an eagles/phillies fan. Come on, they put everything we could realistically expect in a $1300 camera. I hope that price holds, because there is going to be huge demand for a while.

oh... I still would have liked micro adjust AF... and I'd totally be willing to mess myself up with it...

I also think that this 40D is about as good as we could have really hoped for... I know I personally am content with the specs.

Typo in the specs:

"The speed of the EOS 40D SLR comes from Canon's balanced combination of its latest processor, DIGIC IIII "

What the hell is "IIII" last time I remember it was "III".

And four is IV anyway.

inorman wrote:
Typo in the specs:

"The speed of the EOS 40D SLR comes from Canon's balanced combination of its latest processor, DIGIC IIII "

What the hell is "IIII" last time I remember it was "III".

And four is IV anyway.

The guy typing it up in Amazon was probably shivering with excitement.

Stunnaz wrote:
Have we decided if it's weather-sealed or not based on the Amazon description?
It will be weather sealed, - but not as rough as the 1D series
(Call it partial weather-sealing if you will)

Rubber Soul wrote:
Matt Tilghman wrote:
Canon has some new, breakthrough features in the works, so they aren't worried about reserving these features for their top models anymore. Once the new features come out, their top models will once again be significantly separated from the X0D's.


But the 1DsmkIII and 1DmkIII are new models that were (or will be) released in 2007. If Canon stays true to their history, neither professional model will see a real upgrade again until the year 2010. I doubt that Canon is holding back on any new technology for future models.

I think it's incredible that Canon decided to implement so many professional features into a prosumer model. The 10 MP sensor, 3" LCD, and dust reduction were a given. Bigger viewfinder, sRAW, and wireless were a mild surprise.

But weather sealing? 14-bit RAW? 6.5 fps? Dual high precision center AF point? All other AF points became cross type? Interchangeable focus screens? If someone told me last week that the EOS 40D would have all these things, I would've dismissed it as a fanboy's wishful thinking.

Just my thoughs exactly!

I know it's a bit premature, - but can't stop thinking what the 50D will be like. What can they possible improve (except for the sensor, - which I am very much in doubt they actually can improve, - but even if they could I wouldn't imagine that they actually would)

Angus MacGyver wrote:
I can think of some features they weren't able to include in the 40D: AF micro-adjustment, built-in wireless, built-in AF assist light (w/o using the pop-up flash), dedicated/programmable MLU button, native ISO3200 or extended IS06400... =P

Ahh, you could be right
The AF micro-adjustment could be,
Build-in wireless is definately a possibility, - but somehow I just can't imagine that we are getting that before Sony and Pentax have done it for a while.
Native ISO 3200 and/or extend to ISO 6400 might be possible with the current sensor, - and therefore might be one of the things that'll be new for 50D

BTW I believe we will get a 5D before the 50D (might already be in feb (for the 5D, - but the 50D - it will be in 18 months i.e. in feb 2009)), - but I also believe that's the only high end DSLR we'll get before that.

Edited by DaDane on Aug 19, 2007 at 08:37 PM GMT

It might be wise to deadpan this release and it's features....lest the price increase by $500..... no - they wouldn't do that would they?
I think it looks like a piece of junk, And no dedicated MLU - shame.

I'm pinching myself. I can't believe they put all that in there for $1,300.
Canon really needed to do something like this, and i'm thrilled they apparently have done it.
My conspiracy side still thinks someone hacked the Amazon site and loaded the specs up as a lark..... i'm thinking the official Canon announcement can only be a couple days away.

No, this won't be truly a weather sealed 1D with micro AF adjustment, agreed. However. it sounds like the AF accuracy just took a big leap forward. 6.5fps. Bigger buffer. Better weather resistance. Custom focussing screens available.
But a "Mini-1D" for $1,300.00? Sold!