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H. Ludens Registered: Jun 27, 2007 Total Posts: 19 Country: Germany |
First off, I'm not a camera or lens designer, and am thus a bit on a shaky ground here. Take everything I say with a pinch of salt.
It's likely that the engineers at Canon are more than aware of such IR-induced issues as a non-specialist like me could imagine. Thus, it's a certainty that Canon has put serious effort into filtering any IR that could reach the AF detectors. Nonetheless, one should note that the 1D3 has much more peripheral AF cross-sensors than the 1D2. Recall that the AF concentrator lens and splitter prism are materials with a refraction index larger than 1, which will thus affect the lightray path the camera lens designer had intended, and perhaps induce astigmatism, field curvature, coma, spherical aberrations etc. on the image projected on the AF sensors. Compared with the 1D2, the 1D3's AF sensor must presumably have improved accuracy (to support the camera's improved 10MP resolution) and be more sensitive in low light (to respond to market demands). This, coupled with the fact that peripheral sensors, now that they are of the "cross" type, will be more sensitive to aberrations, might have forced Canon's designers to shave as much thickness as possible from the AF sensor's >1 refraction index optical elements, including the infrared filter. In turn, this might have led to a slightly increased IR sensitivity of the 1D3's AF module, compared with the 1D2's. One simple way to test this hypothesis would be to put an IR rejection filter -- e.g. a B+W 486 or a Kenko DR655 -- on a lens with a shallow depth of field, with which focusing errors would be obvious, and see if this has any influence on the 1D3's AF behavior. My 1D3 hasn't arrived yet, and I would be grateful, probably like many others, if an 1D3 owner could put this hypothesis to the test I should probably also add that birds, unlike athletes wearing synthetic fabrics, might not be the best subjects to test the incidence of IR on an AF system's performance. A bird feather's perceived color can be caused by a scattering or diffraction of a very narrow wavelength range. All the other light wavelengths, possibly including those close to the visible spectrum like near-infrared, can be absorbed. See e.g. this article for a glimpse at the complexity behind some bird feathers' colors: "The structural origin of the weak iridescence on some of the dark feathers of the black-billed magpie, Pica pic (Corvidae), is found in the structure of the ribbon-shaped barbules. The cortex of these barbules contains cylindrical holes distributed as the nodes of an hexagonal lattice in the hard layer cross section. The cortex optical properties are described starting from a photonic-crystal film theory. The yellowish-green coloration of the bird's tail can be explained by the appearance of a reflection band related to the photonic-crystal lowest-lying gap. The bluish reflections from the wings are produced by a more complicated mechanism, involving the presence of a cortex second gap." As the bird's feather would appear near-black at the absorbed wavelengths, including near-infrared, there would be almost no spurious IR signal interfering with the feather's visible light color signal used by the camera's AF. There wouldn't be any errors in the focusing, then, and using an IR rejection filter like a BW486 would have little effect in such cases. At any rate, Rob Galbraith's test pictures, and these ones, posted on DPreview, where I think I see a slight back focus, as the boat's wake and the water skier seem to be sharper than the boat's passengers, are consistent with the hypothesis that a large IR signal would cause the focus point to lag behind an approaching subject in AF servo mode. Edited by H. Ludens on Jun 27, 2007 at 02:48 PM GMT |
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rd4tile Registered: Mar 23, 2004 Total Posts: 1658 Country: United States |
H. Ludens, |
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khurram1 Registered: Oct 20, 2005 Total Posts: 3494 Country: Canada |
Jeff wrote: |
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Yakim Peled Registered: Nov 18, 2004 Total Posts: 15292 Country: Israel |
rscheffler wrote: |
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JackCnd Registered: Dec 27, 2003 Total Posts: 542 Country: Canada |
H. Ludens wrote: |
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Jeff Registered: Dec 31, 2002 Total Posts: 8662 Country: United States |
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Hrow Registered: Oct 19, 2004 Total Posts: 4958 Country: United States |
I am not sure that the problem is an AF issue at all. Yesterday I took my new M3 out for a whirl and one of the things I did was put about 30mm of extension tubes on my 300mm to shoot some flowers. As I often do, I was shooting on a tripod (BH-55 w/ Manfrotto 055 legs) with a cable release. As I was looking thru the VF I was stunned to see the amount of residual vibration from just clicking the shutter. I realize that the tubes and 300mm magnify the problem but none-the-less it got me thinking. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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mrogers Registered: Sep 28, 2004 Total Posts: 1263 Country: United States |
Hey Yakim...what would you say if when looking through the veiw finder and you hit stage one of your shutter or back focus buttton, the view snaps into focus and you shoot...when you check your shot after, the image is not focused!?? |
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GeneO Registered: Jul 11, 2003 Total Posts: 9055 Country: United States |
Hrow. |
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Hrow Registered: Oct 19, 2004 Total Posts: 4958 Country: United States |
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Wickedfn4u Registered: May 08, 2004 Total Posts: 2504 Country: United States |
Hrow wrote: |
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mrogers Registered: Sep 28, 2004 Total Posts: 1263 Country: United States |
even with all my whining about lack of focus, when the III snaps in on one ...... |
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Irish Snapper Registered: Jun 03, 2005 Total Posts: 2 Country: Ireland |
What an absolutely fantastic shot! I personally can't wait to get a hold of my Mark 3 but the bottom line as always is it's the person behind the camera. |
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wacomme Registered: May 09, 2003 Total Posts: 382 Country: United States |
Oh yeah. I love the shot. |
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rd4tile Registered: Mar 23, 2004 Total Posts: 1658 Country: United States |
WOW that's a keeper, love the colors of the water which the mkIII really shows well! What lens? |
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Volleybob Registered: May 14, 2004 Total Posts: 831 Country: N/A |
Are you MKlll early adpoters going to buy the iPhone next week? or have you learned the lesson? |
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rd4tile Registered: Mar 23, 2004 Total Posts: 1658 Country: United States |
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ejmartin Registered: Oct 27, 2005 Total Posts: 312 Country: United States |
Volleybob wrote: |
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mark1958 Registered: Jan 27, 2002 Total Posts: 8021 Country: United States |
Hey i just told a colleague today i was thinking about an iphone but then i think about all the 1DmkIII issues and then decided to wait |
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DixPix Registered: Jul 25, 2006 Total Posts: 343 Country: United States |
I haven't read the entire thread so I don't know if anyone has posted a message about this but here it is: I called Canon to ask them about the AF problem. They said they were aware and working on a firmware update that should take care of it. They put me on their e-mail list for the subject and they are e-mailing me a shipping label to send them a CD with pictures to demonstrate my problem. It is not mandatory to send pictures. My impression is that nobody will be left out in the cold. I hope it doesn't take too long. |
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Wickedfn4u Registered: May 08, 2004 Total Posts: 2504 Country: United States |
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johnastovall Registered: Apr 07, 2005 Total Posts: 1332 Country: United States |
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Leehman Registered: Mar 29, 2005 Total Posts: 472 Country: United States |
I am enjoying my 1DMK111 my first experince with a 1D body. |
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Yakim Peled Registered: Nov 18, 2004 Total Posts: 15292 Country: Israel |
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