I agree!

So all these "pro" photographers use ONLY wide angle lenses

please calm down. Remember, Photokina is this year again and everyone goes all out at that time. If Canon did it now, everybody would be upset that after a half-yea they are already upgrading the just new SLR...

I've been a pro shooting Canon since 1972, when a Nikon broke in some far off exotic land, and I'm happy with what I have. My lenses cover the range from 14 to 400. If I need more reach, I call CPS and borrow a 500 or 600 for 10 days at no charge. No complaints from this pro!

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Guy Mancuso wrote:
Frankly I am glad I switched , they really don’t deserve a dime from pro photographers and they sit there and scratch there head wondering why pro’s or advanced hobbyist are buying Zeiss and leica lenses.




Yeh it may suck some but ...what is it like 90% of Pros use Canon vs. 5% Leica users for 35mm (1.6 / 1.3 crop) Cameras

Canon targets where the demand is. Sorry to say but they make money in entry/prosumer level so, that's where spending their resources. I can't blame them with that decision.

Edited by nikey on Feb 21, 2006 at 03:06 PM GMT

Ok this is just getting ridiculous. How is *anyone* screwed here?

I mean, you're talking like canon doesn't already have THE BEST pro bodies available, and a huge array of fantastic lenses.

What are they missing? Just because you want more doesn't mean they're obligated to give it to you. Quit griping, go out and take more pictures.

pro’s or advanced hobbyist are buying Zeiss and leica lenses.

Oh no, not another mention of Leica and Zeiss in the Canon forum ?

I thought there was another group made just for this or is it OK to come back and spout off ??

Ozone42 wrote:
Ok this is just getting ridiculous. How is *anyone* screwed here?

I mean, you're talking like canon doesn't already have THE BEST pro bodies available, and a huge array of fantastic lenses.

What are they missing? Just because you want more doesn't mean they're obligated to give it to you. Quit griping, go out and take more pictures.



Well, if you don't know Guy, he already mentioned he sold all his Canons. And, he's been shooting pictures with Leica/Zeiss long before I even got my first digital camera.

i warned everyone on the board you just wait till the 5d comes out, i was not wrong

Ha Ha Ha !! Brilliant....

Guy Mancuso wrote:
some forget who I am ,

You are just one Pro among thousands. Your voice isn't as important as much as the masses. Sorry but thats how it works

I was and still hoping that canon would some day release a top of the line 17mm prime lens. This has been the most 'underwhelming announcement' since I have got in Digital Photography. I am guessing that it is the marketing of Canon to push people to buy more of their flagship full frame camera 'The 5d'

Guy Mancuso wrote:
Dennis tell that to every 5d, 1dsMKII owner and that number gets huge. What you guys need to be doing is complaining so you are heard. a handful will never get the job done. It's so much fun to come in and say hello .

maybe i was bored today.ROTFLMAO

Guy, you will never hear that complain from people who never owned a 1DS or 1DSII. Hey, I'm not complaining, 'cause I never owned those FF bodies.

any pro worth his salt will readily admit his canon wideangles are far from perfect.

nice to see ya here Guy. Come rock the bandwagon anytime!

-m

Edited by mauriceramirez on Feb 21, 2006 at 08:31 PM GMT

You pissed at Canon?

I understand you not being happy about the wide angle situation, on the other hand maybe it's simply a case of the announcement/into of new WA's being made later in the year at Photokina.

Canon's been concentrating on their dSLR's and I think they've done a fantastic job, though the prices need to come down. If they don't address the WA problem it will cost them, and I think Canon is too smart to let that happen by delaying longer, but I certainly could be wrong.

All that said, I'm shooting with a 1Ds and I love the thing. When the new 1Ds series body comes out I'll snag a Mk II. At some point Canon will place more resources to upgrading glass, hopefully sooner than later.

As you seem so hyped over getting a perfect wide angle (like the 21 zeiss i guess), what are you hoping for? not that i have the 24L or 35L but i thought they were pretty decent at least. I know there is a lack on the cheaper wide angles (20,24,28,28)

Guy Mancuso wrote:
You know Canon just screwed the pro’s again , no wide angle , no pro body but another version of a 1.6.

Yes, somewhere in Japan there's a Canon marketing manager saying "Yes! We scored! Guy Mancuso is ticked off; just exactly what we wanted!"

I certainly would like to see better wide angles from Canon - especially at moderate prices. So in that sense I feel your pain, Guy.

But let's face it, they're aiming for the middle of the DSLR market with this round of new products. The 30D and the 17-55/2.8 EF-S are just exactly what an amateur photographer like me would be looking for. As for pro bodies, the 1D Mark IIn is too new to expect a replacement this soon.

As always, if you don't like what Canon has to offer, don't buy it. Judging from the equipment list in your signature, Guy, I'd say you've already voted with your dollars.

35L is decent, the 24L is soft in the corners.. That means the widest sharp* canon lens for my 20D is an equivalent standard lens...

Tim

* when I say sharp I mean sharp enough to not smudge more than 2 pixels. That means a lens that will consistently outresolve a 2Mp sensor.. That can't be too much to ask can it?

Guy,I respect your concern.Indeed, canon doesn't have a WOW wideangle prime..
They produce excellent 135mm f2 (what a lens !! ) and 300mm 2.8.But I always feel that this wideangle issues have been exaggerated.More pro photogarphers make a living out of canon systems than Leicas.You may have a valid reason to switch.But not all pro photographers take your path because of obvious reasons.

On the other hand, I feel this new 30D looks like a real camera with some nice features.
I believe its a digital version of a camera between Elan 7 and EOS-3.

Regards

Guy, was that shot with your DMR or the 1Ds?

I guess I'm also unclear about what the wide guys want. I almost never use wides, so the whole issue is lost on me. Assuming that the quality has to be great, is it speed or really wide angle that you're looking for?

I know this: if Nikon came out with a 700mm f/4 IS for the price of Canon's 500mm, I wouldn't waste any time badgering Canon about it. I'd get Nikon's lens and also get a Nikon body to stick on the back of it. There's no law that says every single piece of my equipment needs to be from the same company.

Guy Mancuso wrote:
You know Canon just screwed the pro’s again , no wide angle , no pro body but another version of a 1.6. The only thing that may and I mean may be good is the 85 1.2 but how much better optically is it from the old one. I am betting not much and the price is out there on a limb for no one to buy it at 2100.00 that is leica prices , what are they nuts. But the bottom line at the end of the day they did not even come close to solving the wide angle issue except throw another zoom at people . All the complaints and all the talk of wide angle issues and still we are left holding the bag. Frankly I am glad I switched , they really don’t deserve a dime from pro photographers and they sit there and scratch there head wondering why pro’s or advanced hobbyist are buying Zeiss and leica lenses.

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I'm 100% with Guy on this. I was hoping they would have one good new wide for full frame but that was not to be.

Guy's got a point here. Canon's best ultra-wide prime isn't a prime at all - it's the 16-35L zoom. And that isn't perfect either, but it's the best thing wider than 24 mm that I've used. Canon needs something in the 18-20 mm range that has low distortion, minimal CA, and full-frame corner-to-corner sharpness in the f/5.6-f/11 range.

Guy,

I am no where near the quality of a photog as you are but I too have to agree with you. They need a serious Wide angle lens. Hell, its even worse on the 1.6x sensor ! So much ranting about the 10-22mm , but I used one and it was simply the worst piece of crap I ever laid my hands on. Now a 17-55mm ok it fills a gap,, but EF-S What the heck are they thinking .... Now lets insult the prosumer some more lets put it on the market for above $1K just because it has IS ? How often are you going to use IS in this focal range ??

Scratching my head and wondering who smoked what when they thought of this one.

Ozone42 wrote:
...Quit griping, go out and take more pictures.


** I love it. Well said.