It's not a letdown for me.

If I were looking for an alternative to the d200, it would be, but I'm not.

Canon makes good stuff. So does Nikon. Neither is perfect.

The bottom line is that you pick the camera that best meets your needs/budget. Everyone has differing needs and budgets, so it's a very good thing that there are differing products.

Pixel peeping and spec checking to determine the "best" is just silly. Besides, it's hard on the eyes.

dang, while reading this thread, i had to check *twice* to make sure i was in the right forum!

21farms wrote:
dang, while reading this thread, i had to check *twice* to make sure i was in the right forum!

, when I saw the press release I knew that there will be threads in both forums.

Actually I love the fact that the 30D is a 8MP. Enough "xMP is better than yMP", let's see some development in high ISO performances.

p.s. Personally higher resolution are always welcomed, but in most cases I would rather have a more usable high ISO. Provided that the resolution is 6MP or higher.

I think it is a bit of a let down. Just like when they came out with the D70s. The changes are so small that it makes people wonder "why?" Like when a recording artists does a re-release of an album with only two or three new tracks. But part of the problem is hype and the competitive nature of the market, so anything less than extraordinary is considered a "letdown."

Ack when I saw this, I thought I stumbled into canonland by err.....
Why is this here?

Because it is an announcement of a compeititor's supposed "reaction" to your beloved D200. Don't be frightened, it's just talk.

dlew308 wrote:
Ack when I saw this, I thought I stumbled into canonland by err.....
Why is this here

because there's one thing both nikonians and canonites have in common:

they're both obsessed with canon

I'm not...the only canon i own is a printer which I'm at the verge of taking it out office space style

improved random noise, and a 2.5'' screen, 700g - nice. pity about the button layout though, and shooting modes... again.

canon's iso 3200 and 85 /1.2 sounds like fun!

You should see the civil wars raging within the Canon forum right now.......

andylaiphoto wrote:
You should see the civil wars raging within the Canon forum right now.......

Yeah, they're hilarious!

joefrost wrote:
With the announcement of the 17-55/2.8 I believe Canon has made it clear that they will pursue both 135 and APS-C sized sensors, but the APS-C equipped cameras will never be "professional".

Joe


Go figure, in that case I know a whole lot of "amateur" photographers whos only mode of earning a living is shooting with a camera with a non "professional" sensor in it. In fact an entire photog staff at a local paper, thats all they use! The fools, my goodness when will all these amateurs get a grip and stop doing a pro's work?



Go work for a newspaper...having a high ISO will become your best friend.

While this may be true, at 85 lpi and dot gains greater than 30% I hardly think noise is an issue so either or any would be suitable cameras.

Will the announcement of the rather lame 30D make the D200 harder to find and buy?

EB

andylaiphoto wrote:
You should see the civil wars raging within the Canon forum right now.......

Thanks for the head up

Got an exam in a few hours but that shall be my quality entertainment for tonight.

Kerry Pierce wrote:
It's not a letdown for me.

If I were looking for an alternative to the d200, it would be, but I'm not.

Canon makes good stuff. So does Nikon. Neither is perfect.

The bottom line is that you pick the camera that best meets your needs/budget. Everyone has differing needs and budgets, so it's a very good thing that there are differing products.

Pixel peeping and spec checking to determine the "best" is just silly. Besides, it's hard on the eyes.

nikt wrote:
Mick, just so you know, I wasn't necessarily referring to you, but many others. Its going to happen, and it happening.

I'll respectefully disagree with your statement that the D200 is inferior in many aspects to the 20D. Since I use both cameras, and a 5D, I guess this is just my opinion.

The 20D sits between the D70s and the D200 in price and specs, market, functionality. Until the D200 came out, it was battleing it out with the D70s. It definately does compete with the D70s for that market share.

I just don't agree that Canon is letting down their community. I think they have set a clear path, if the 20D is not enough camera, then move to the 5D. Its just that some people will not agree with that path. I just don't think Canon would want to increase things like Megapixels and introduce higher noise levels.... thats the thing that would really kill Canon.

Thats the problem, Nik, I just don't see the 5D as an upgrade path from the 20D. Its a niche product despite Canons bleating about it being the future. A nice sensor but as an image capturing device, its a $100 upgrade if the sensor doesn't suit. Suits a specific kind of photography.

Crop cameras are not inferior, they just have a different set of compromises to FF ones. I like them, but have no weather-sealed, advanced AF, wi-fi enabled, fast body to upgrade to without stumping up $4000 for a 1D2n. There remains a huge gap in Canons range between the 20D and the 5D at double the price also, right where sales remain high. With 5D sales being slow everywhere (in the UK with the rebate, the street price has dropped 40% in six months. Unheard of drop), its clear that the market is there for a high end APS-C body.

I find it strange 'cos the 20D is already a good camera and the 30D looks like a good upgrade for the ageing 300D and D60 users. So if the the 30D isn't upto one's specifications, wouldn't you go a 1D MK II or 1DS MK II?
Both manufacturers, Nikon & Canon provide outstanding Professional, Semi pro and entry level cameras, its all about choosing the right one for you...

It won't drive people to upgrade from a 20D , but it is a decent upgrade to a very successful body. It protects Canon's market position. It should be called a 20Dn as most people have acknowledge, but OTOH its more substantial than the D70 -> D70s upgrade.

Spot meter, ISO in view finder, 1/3 ISO increments, bigger LCD screen, RGB histogram, more FPS...all the niggly things people grew tired of in the 20D have been fixed.

Its missing a brighter viewfinder and MLU though. Its definitely not a D200 killer -- there's no function to 'enable banding'..

PS I wish I could get a Nikon body and Zeiss wides with Canon sensors and zooms.

It would have been marketing suicide had they made alot of huge advancements to the 20D. They would have done what the D200 is doing to the sales of D2Xs. A 20D on steroids would have taken away sales from the 1D MKIIN. They don't want to take a whole lot of sales from their pro line. If you want more functions and feautures with that lens crop, then move to the 1D MKIIN....if you want full frame then 5D, and if the 5D doesn't have enough bells and whistles then on to the 1DsMKII.

Canon is not stupid and the 20D was/is a great camera as is anyway. So this upgrade isn't that big of a loss....Nikonians were making the same rationalizations when the D70s came out. If it ain't broke why fix it?

it's just canon's D70s. No biggy, just keep taking great shots with the 20D! It's amazing how long these threads hang on. So canon gave a lot of people what they've been asking for and a little cheaper!

Zachs wrote:
SilverPenguin wrote:
0rio wrote:
I never like to go above ISO 400 (rarely I go above 200)

Try a 20D It's suddenly ok to go there.

@Nikt: so the 30D can't possibly be a let down regarding ISO performance.
It is a let down only to those people who were counting on the pace of technological improvements that Canon has shown over the last couple of years, and Nikon with the D200.
ISO 400 won't look as clean as ISO 100 regardless of the camera its on, especially if there are dark areas in the frame. I wouldn't feel comfortable shooting at higher ISO with any image I intended to get blown up to large size. If it was for web stuff only then fine, or if was an image I wasn't bothered about. But anything thats getting printed or could get printed large, no chance, gimme ISO 100-200 and a tripod every time

Go work for a newspaper...having a high ISO will become your best friend.



Well no, because if I did that I'd be wanting a Pro body anyway and not a semi pro one and then we aren't talking about the D200 or the 30D.

Personally I take pics I can enlarge if i want to, so would use the lowest ISO I can. If I knew I would have to use a high ISO I would only take the shot as a snapshot so I had a memory, and then I wouldn't care about noise. But thats just me.

Anyway, I don't see a problem with Canon new offering I just think labelling as a 30D was a mistake because its just an upgrade, not a new camera.

I just find it hard to believe that this is what Canon shooters will have for the next 18 months.

There will probably be another camera. My money would be on a new camera once Digic 3 is ready

onder wrote:
New Canon 30D is letdown Canon people. I think Nikon is stand well for next year. And I glad to stay at Nikon. Thanks Nikon for D200 for the big improvement giving to us !

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022114canoneos30d.asp#specs


Sevgili Onder merhaba;
Bosver Canonu zaten keyifle kullaniyoruz Nikonlarimizi Saka bir yana Nikon zaten Canonun bosluklarini dolduruyor D200 tam 30D ile 5D nin arasinda Canon kendini vurmus olurdu D200 un speklerine es dege bir makineyi o fiyatta vermeye kalksaydi.Dolayisi ile cok sasirtici bir sey degil ama sende haklsini gunumuz D-SLR piyasasinda teknik spek de cok onem tasiyor.

evet oyle, benim gonlum olympus'un ilerlemesinde gor bak bir gun zirveryi kapacaklar

selamlar !

Sorry for other language friends ! we are just enjoying with 30D and D200 comparisons.

Yep sorry folks
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