DutchGuy wrote:
Gijs wrote:
Canon have done really well to tempt me with this new 30D. It adresses exactly the (minor) issues I'm having with the 20D:
- spot metering
- RGB histogram
- better joystick for AF point selection
- ISO in 1/3 steps
- ISO in viewfinder

But is it enough to upgrade ?

The Nikon D200 is a nice upgrade!

It doesn't have "ansel adams" mode.

muffins wrote:
The best news here is the price drop I expect on 20Ds, my 300D is getting a bit creaky

Ditto, but the price drop woulda been a heck of a lot more if what Canon released was in-line with rumours.

jylitalo wrote:They made bunch of nice minor improvements


All the 20D has are minor faults.

I recall threads of people complaining saying "If only the 20D has this, this, this and this it would be the perfect camera". The 30D now has all of those features and people still want more (I know it's human nature, but still...). The 20D was near perfect for it's price and now the 30D IS perfect for it's price.

I just see this as the 1D2 vs 1D2n all over again. Everybody said the N was stupid and pointless, they would buy a 1D2 for cheaper and ingore the N. Then they actually USED the N and realized how those tiny improvements just made handing and SHOOTING with the camera much better and ended up getting the N.

Is the 30D worth upgrading from the 20D? Hardly, when I upgrade, it's straight to a 1series. But for people that have a 300D/10D or are just now jumping into DSLR's, I can not think of a more perfect camera for it's price.

Edited by pangwinking on Feb 21, 2006 at 12:28 AM GMT

Making the 30D 10MP was probably a major marketing dilemna for Canon. 10MP @ 1.6x crop for $1499 vs 11 MP @ FF for $2899 (using the typical discount price). I don't think Canon would have sold as many 5D's with a 10MP 1.6x body in the ranks.

With Canon's "N" update to the 1D2 and now a similar approach to the 20D/30D - I'm beginning to think the 1Ds2's big update is going be some "N" window dressing, and that's about it. If that's case, fine by me. Saves me money! I'd like to see new or more updated primes like the 85L II shown in the 30D picture.

Canon's bodies of recent times (1D IIn, 5D, 30D) have been evolutionary in nature. Yes, the 5D gets the new chip, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that it shares some manufacturing traits with the 1D II's chip. The 30D is an evolved 20D, just as the 10D was an evolved D60.

This tells me that Canon is working hard on the next revolutionary change in sensor technology. Maybe.....

Maybe a little letdown since Nikon D200 has more megapixels.

BUT! Do we really need more megapixels? I still have the 6Mp 300D and prints look good even at 10x15 inces.... Maybe we just have to get more realistic, if we need to print larger than 10x15 we need a professional body, not a $1300 consumer one!

The d200 isn't a better camera because it has more megapixels.

Play with one for awhile. It's just a better CAMERA. Period.

-m

walter23 wrote:
It doesn't have "ansel adams" mode.



Sure it does. It's got monocrhome mode!

maybe i'll upgrade from the D60 -> 30D.

it seems like on the used market a nice 20D is going for about 900-1000, so this should push that down a little... or maybe it's worth just buying a 30D.

mauriceramirez wrote:
The d200 isn't a better camera because it has more megapixels.

Play with one for awhile. It's just a better CAMERA. Period.

-m

I'm sure it's a fine camera, according to Rob Galbraith the noise performance of the D20 is much better. And what surprises me that he likes the AF performance of the 20D better than the D200

Edited by DutchGuy on Feb 21, 2006 at 10:35 AM GMT

To me it seems like the 30D is a very nice camera. The 20D is one of the best out there, especially at the price. I'm glad Canon didn't fall for the mp hype. Who needs more than 8 almost noise free mp's? Full time pros won't be buying 30D. They will buy 5D or 1-series cameras..

DutchGuy wrote:
Gijs wrote:
Canon have done really well to tempt me with this new 30D. It adresses exactly the (minor) issues I'm having with the 20D:
- spot metering
- RGB histogram
- better joystick for AF point selection
- ISO in 1/3 steps
- ISO in viewfinder

But is it enough to upgrade ?

Perhaps. I'll seriously consider it.

Blowout wrote:
DutchGuy wrote:
Gijs wrote:
Canon have done really well to tempt me with this new 30D. It adresses exactly the (minor) issues I'm having with the 20D:
- spot metering
- RGB histogram
- better joystick for AF point selection
- ISO in 1/3 steps
- ISO in viewfinder

But is it enough to upgrade ?

The Nikon D200 is a nice upgrade!



Well, according to the site that announced the 30D, the 20D already blows the D200 away in terms of AF accuracy and high ISO performance.

10DFT wrote:
Canon's bodies of recent times (1D IIn, 5D, 30D) have been evolutionary in nature. Yes, the 5D gets the new chip, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that it shares some manufacturing traits with the 1D II's chip. The 30D is an evolved 20D, just as the 10D was an evolved D60.

This tells me that Canon is working hard on the next revolutionary change in sensor technology. Maybe.....

You could be right. It could also be the end of the 1.6x sensor in this line (excluding the rebel cameras).

Well, I doubt that this will be end end of the 1.6x sensor cameras. Canon has invested a lot of money into EF-S and they're not going to kill it off after a few short years.

1.6x is here to stay for 'prosumer' DSLRs.

I didn't see anything about them fixing the noisy mirror slap. Too bad.

Is that street price body only? $1399

Well I didn't exactly say they'd likely kill off the 1.6x sensor camera. I could see Canon, in 18 months time, bringing down the price point of a 1.6x prosumer camera, while filling in the 2000 dollar range with a larger sensor camera.

I'd be tempted if I were buying-into DSLR or needed a new one. Otherwise, I'll stick with my tried and true 20D for another year when maybe something more significant and tempting will come out like DIGIC III, clean ISO 6400 and improved AF.

I'd have to agree, for me not having made the move to a digital SLR yet, and having canon lenses I am certainly probably going to make the move and pick up a 30D though I'll wait awhile to see how the bugs shake out with the early units, and it's actual price, while it's not a huge improvement from the 20D, it does add some features at what should be a similar price point. Overall the 20D is already a great camera, that pretty much everyone loves, so it's not surprizing they didn't scrap it completely, and it's cost effective.

If I already owned a 20D, I don't think I would upgrade till the next version came out unless I just wanted the newest model, or some of the minor updates fixed a couple things that really really irked me about using 20D.

I think they will have a hard time selling new 20D's unless they drop the price below $1000, for me with the 30D costing say $1400 I'd need a lot of motivation to pick up a 20D instead.

monterey wrote:
Is that street price body only? $1399

expected street price of US$1399 body only

I've already sold a 20D in the expectation of a newer camera, and as it turns out I'm happy with my decision. I would be even happier if the 30D (what a stupid choice of name) had the AF system from the 5D, but I'll cope with it as-is.

I'm hanging out now waiting to see the lens announcements!

The french site, referenced in the EF-S 17-55 2.8 post (http://www2.photim.com/info/Sommaire.php) add 6 hidden autofocus points on 30D feature list.

I wonder if this is a mistake.

They also said a folder can hold 999 files, rather than the 9999 Rob Galbraith's site quoted.