If true, what this will definitely do is kick the snot out of 1Ds prices. Yay. --c

dan wrote:
Shivatron wrote: "...Author: Jim Bowes..."

So I googled
"Jim Bowes" + adobe

Read www.typophile.com/forums/read.php%3Ffile%3D/30/33006.html+%22Jim+Bowes%22+adobe&hl=en&client=firefox-a">this.

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dan

I just did! And I also saw this at DPR:

tontsdot wrote:
> why?
> ok, what do we have from the PDF? "Jim Bowes". okay, now go to
> the 'custom' tab in acrobat (I have the full version, not sure what
> it is in the reader).
>
> Category: pilot,pot .ppt template
> Comments: D92
> company: cayenne communications
> Manager: Mariska van Geel
>
> HMM.
>
> Google led to:

> http://www.aabc.nl/sponsor_individual.html?sp_id=1049&PHPSESSID=b8764ac08349ad628f3ed94f20b198dd
>
> This is our Jim Bowes.
>
> Cayenne Communications?
> http://www.cayenne.nl/
>
> Click on WORK.
>
> They did the EUROPEAN AD CAMPAIGN for Canon for the 20D, and for
> the PIXMA line of printers.
>
> faking metadata is first of all hard... and second of all, nobody
> would fake it so that it looked "unprofessional" and raw.
>
> the pdf is probably prepared for the benefit of dealers... it is
> unrefined and just, I'm sure, to give people (that need it) a heads
> up.

Alex53 wrote:
I have to say, as someone commented in the ojodigital.com forum where this news originated, its a little sad to see from the amount of interest that the toys are more important than the game to so many people

This holier than thou attitude, often expressed in this forum (Canon Gear) is silly. If you're so into the "game" why are you reading a forum dedicated to "toys."

"The right tool for the job" applies to photography and I like learning about and using the latest most powerful tools...

dan wrote:
Shivatron wrote: "...Author: Jim Bowes..."

So I googled
"Jim Bowes" + adobe

Read www.typophile.com/forums/read.php%3Ffile%3D/30/33006.html+%22Jim+Bowes%22+adobe&hl=en&client=firefox-a">this.

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dan

Wow! Good police work. This 'Jim Bowes' says he works for an advertising company in Amsterdam and translates brochures for a big internation client. Canon Europe is in Amstelveen, just outside Amsterdam. Canon press releases often come from Canon Europe in Amstelveen.

This seems an argument in favor of the authenticity of the 5D-leak.

Fred!

The page with the specs is called: http://alex.netfun.ro/Canon5D-specs.pdf
Looks like someone did it for fun.

Morten

smpetty wrote:
Alex53 wrote:
I have to say, as someone commented in the ojodigital.com forum where this news originated, its a little sad to see from the amount of interest that the toys are more important than the game to so many people

This holier than thou attitude, often expressed in this forum (Canon Gear) is silly. If you're so into the "game" why are you reading a forum dedicated to "toys."

"The right tool for the job" applies to photography and I like learning about and using the latest most powerful tools...

I have to agree with smpetty on this one. This is a "toy" forum, so what do you expect? There are "art" forum here for people to post and criticize each other's work. That probably is where Alex should go. We need more people on those "art" forums. The traffic is really low there. Many times, I posted my pics and no one replies.

Well things have changed since that "era", and modern days have brought us technology right... Just like today I'd say wow, my PC is faster, and it's better for doing certain things. You can't deny a faster frame rate isn't gonna help the sports shooter, wildlife & event photographer, etc. I've done wildlife, and I love my 20D, but I can't deny, my friend's 1DMrkII is quite impressive in capture the moment... you just get more selection...

So let me rephrase, "3 FPS is a leap backwards from current technology that's available for certain work".

In any case... there's always something better out there... and not always for everybody's taste.

RDKirk wrote:
Vadim Chiline wrote:
I think this could be the real one too... no popup flash... it's a little more sleek in design... and is very much a merge between a 20D and 1DMrkII... I just don't quite get the 3 fps... it's frustrating really... argh.. if it could have 5 fps... I would jump on it.... otherwise, it's quite useless for event and wildlife photogs.... maybe fashion shooters, some product photographers?

I'm not sure I'd go up from the 20D for this... then again... I do need to get a 2nd body...


I find this an amusing statement. Back in the days of the might Nikon F2 and Canon F-1, 3fps was the max (except for the Canon Pellicle). Yet, many great sports and event shots came out of that era...so it can't be said that a 3fps camera is "useless" for sports and events.

Of course they don't want to give 5 fps on the new one... because then everybody would buy the 5D and keep their 20D's for the burst speed. If that happened, I would be less likely to find a 20D at a good price and would be more likely to pick one up NEW!

Those clever Canon marketing guys!

Aint the internet fun?

Just looked over the spec sheet. If someone did this as a lark, they spent a LOT of time on it. --c

If this leak is true then the new camera is to the 20D what the 1DsII is to the 1DII, it's a landscape/studio camera and isn't designed for sports shooting. Think 20Ds and you've about got it. The reported impending death of the 20D looks to be increasingly unlikely because of this. It's also far enough removed from the 1DII and 1DsII markets not to upset them too much with it's introduction.

On the positive side it's noise characteristics are likely to be impresive (BIG pixels) and it will be less fussy about the edges of current lenses so I can see a nice market for it.

Think 20Ds and you've about got it.

Yes... and it's EXACTLY what people like me wanted, assuming the street price is far enough off the MSRP to make it somewhat affordable. --c

there's some more info here.

Shivatron wrote:
dan wrote:
Shivatron wrote: "...Author: Jim Bowes..."

So I googled
"Jim Bowes" + adobe

Read www.typophile.com/forums/read.php%3Ffile%3D/30/33006.html+%22Jim+Bowes%22+adobe&hl=en&client=firefox-a">this.

-----
dan

I just did! And I also saw this at DPR:

tontsdot wrote:
> why?
> ok, what do we have from the PDF? "Jim Bowes". okay, now go to
> the 'custom' tab in acrobat (I have the full version, not sure what
> it is in the reader).
>
> Category: pilot,pot .ppt template
> Comments: D92
> company: cayenne communications
> Manager: Mariska van Geel
>
> HMM.
>
> Google led to:

> http://www.aabc.nl/sponsor_individual.html?sp_id=1049&PHPSESSID=b8764ac08349ad628f3ed94f20b198dd
>
> This is our Jim Bowes.
>
> Cayenne Communications?
> http://www.cayenne.nl/
>
> Click on WORK.
>
> They did the EUROPEAN AD CAMPAIGN for Canon for the 20D, and for
> the PIXMA line of printers.
>
> faking metadata is first of all hard... and second of all, nobody
> would fake it so that it looked "unprofessional" and raw.
>
> the pdf is probably prepared for the benefit of dealers... it is
> unrefined and just, I'm sure, to give people (that need it) a heads
> up.


agreed, look here

Shivatron wrote:
dan wrote:
Shivatron wrote: "...Author: Jim Bowes..."

So I googled
"Jim Bowes" + adobe

Read www.typophile.com/forums/read.php%3Ffile%3D/30/33006.html+%22Jim+Bowes%22+adobe&hl=en&client=firefox-a">this.

-----
dan

I just did! And I also saw this at DPR:

tontsdot wrote:
> why?
> ok, what do we have from the PDF? "Jim Bowes". okay, now go to
> the 'custom' tab in acrobat (I have the full version, not sure what
> it is in the reader).
>
> Category: pilot,pot .ppt template
> Comments: D92
> company: cayenne communications
> Manager: Mariska van Geel
>
> HMM.
>
> Google led to:

> http://www.aabc.nl/sponsor_individual.html?sp_id=1049&PHPSESSID=b8764ac08349ad628f3ed94f20b198dd
>
> This is our Jim Bowes.
>
> Cayenne Communications?
> http://www.cayenne.nl/
>
> Click on WORK.
>
> They did the EUROPEAN AD CAMPAIGN for Canon for the 20D, and for
> the PIXMA line of printers.
>
> faking metadata is first of all hard... and second of all, nobody
> would fake it so that it looked "unprofessional" and raw.
>
> the pdf is probably prepared for the benefit of dealers... it is
> unrefined and just, I'm sure, to give people (that need it) a heads
> up.

I take my hat off to some fine detective work...

Well, it looks like $4000 right? That's a large chunk of change... maybe closer to $3k here? I hope they at least put a really good shutter in the thing.

I personally think this is a great camera - 3fps doesn't seem like too much of a limitation to me but I'm coming for the 300d point of view. As long as the buffer clears quickly (ie. maybe 2 seconds or so for one RAW) and can hold like 5 or 6 RAWs, then I can't imagine it would be a limitation for most people.

Heck, I'd just be happy not to have to do focal length*1.6 for my wife and gain back that DOF control that you lose with the crop factor.

Download the EOS 5D specifications:

http://static.thepiratebay.org/downloadtorrent/3367574.torrent/Canon_EOS_5D_Specifications.3367574.TPB.torrent

First of all, I think the image is odd looking. A 20D back and a 1 series front just do not match right. The 20D was built around the APS-C sensor and this one is full frame? It just does not smell right to me. To me, as an answer to the d2x, this is not it...maybe an answer to the d200 if this is real. If it is real, the 1dmk2n would probably be the answer to the d2x, and I hope it is true because then the 1dmkII will drop in price more and I might finally get one.

The strangest thing to me is calling it the 5d. Why would Canon do this? There already has been a 5D announced....Konica Minolta Dynax/Maxum 5D.

Carl Auer wrote:
First of all, I think the image is odd looking. A 20D back and a 1 series front just do not match right. The 20D was built around the APS-C sensor and this one is full frame? It just does not smell right to me. To me, as an answer to the d2x, this is not it...maybe an answer to the d200 if this is real. If it is real, the 1dmk2n would probably be the answer to the d2x, and I hope it is true because then the 1dmkII will drop in price more and I might finally get one.

I agree. For a "tweener" camera, I think the front looks like a much better representation than the back. It's alway possible that one of the images is real (I would guess the front one), and the rear one is a Photochop. But like I said before, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Read this about that document in question if you haven't already:

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=144443#post144443

It's listed in the 2nd red lined box on page 1 "Nuevos Accesorios" last line.

smpetty wrote:
Alex53 wrote:
I have to say, as someone commented in the ojodigital.com forum where this news originated, its a little sad to see from the amount of interest that the toys are more important than the game to so many people

This holier than thou attitude, often expressed in this forum (Canon Gear) is silly. If you're so into the "game" why are you reading a forum dedicated to "toys."

"The right tool for the job" applies to photography and I like learning about and using the latest most powerful tools...

Your last sentence applies to me too, and explains why I am reading this forum. I just wanted to say the level of interest on the next thing is disproportionate with the difference it is likely to make to photographers. Sorry if that came across as a holier than thou attitude, am just still very happy with my 10D, but dont get me wrong, I am happy about new cameras, because they bring affordable full frame a step closer.

Edit:
35.8 x 23.9mm CMOS
12.8 million effective pixels

Bah its not full frame, its missing 0.2mm horizontally and 0.1mm vertically. Its a 1.01 crop camera. just kidding obviously

Edited by Alex53 on Aug 09, 2005 at 07:53 PM GMT

I wonder how long it will be before Jim Bowes or someone downstream of him gets in trouble from Canon.

Edited by ent2b on Aug 09, 2005 at 12:52 PM GMT

Heum, 3,459 euro as listed in the "leaked" pdf is a bit stiff for a body without any form of tropicalisation don't you all think?

The 1DmkII goes for 3,200 euro around here. I guess the price of the next gen 1DmkII might climb between the actual price and the 1DsmkII.




Edited by inverse on Aug 09, 2005 at 06:54 PM GMT

Does anyone else find it odd that PictBridge is included on a "pro" body?

I can't see anyone getting this camera shooting in jpeg and printing right from the camera - maybe it's just me....

You know i understand where your comming from, but is'nt it exciting anyway? tonight i'm going to chicago to see the new leaf aptus digital back i will never afford one but i think it's intresting. and if this 5d or whatever it is a substantial upgrade to the 10d AND affordable i'm all over it - as i can only afford to upgrade every other upgrade. and really this full frame 12 megapixel camera will allow me to make larger prints and that means more money and that means more enjoyment...