I think this could be the real one too... no popup flash... it's a little more sleek in design... and is very much a merge between a 20D and 1DMrkII... I just don't quite get the 3 fps... it's frustrating really... argh.. if it could have 5 fps... I would jump on it.... otherwise, it's quite useless for event and wildlife photogs.... maybe fashion shooters, some product photographers?

I'm not sure I'd go up from the 20D for this... then again... I do need to get a 2nd body...

timmyquest wrote:
13mp and 3fps and 9 AF points

What niche is this supose to fill?



probably a price niche

They also mention the 430EX flash - presumably an upgrade to the 420EX with the white balance control of the 580EX

Vadim Chiline wrote:
I think this could be the real one too... no popup flash... it's a little more sleek in design... and is very much a merge between a 20D and 1DMrkII... I just don't quite get the 3 fps... it's frustrating really... argh.. if it could have 5 fps... I would jump on it.... otherwise, it's quite useless for event and wildlife photogs.... maybe fashion shooters, some product photographers?

I'm not sure I'd go up from the 20D for this... then again... I do need to get a 2nd body...


I find this an amusing statement. Back in the days of the might Nikon F2 and Canon F-1, 3fps was the max (except for the Canon Pellicle). Yet, many great sports and event shots came out of that era...so it can't be said that a 3fps camera is "useless" for sports and events.

The sheet says 9 Selectable AF points and 6 invisible AF assist points. Sounds like new technology. It also has interchangeable focusing screens, new grip and new flash.

Just wondering if the 1D Mark II N will be a full frame 12.8MP camera using the same chip but with better buffer etc enabling 8-9 fps.

Hey, as long as the buffer clears out fast 3 fps works for me. Seems about right... 13*3 = 40megs/sec versus the 20d 8*5 = 40 right?

Another cool thing I noticed - RGB histogram in addition to brightness... 810g versus 1500g for the 1D's... 3500 euros = $4000 ...

Assuming this is real, I can't wait to see the noise specs. 8*1.7 = 13.6 megapixels, so it's actually less density than the 1d Mark II.

A 1/200th flash sync? What?!? Why is it Nikon can go to 1/500th on certain models (including the upcoming D200)?

with an external flash you can shoot faster than the flash sync (albeit at the expense of some power),and this camera has no built in flash

cineski wrote:
A 1/200th flash sync? What?!? Why is it Nikon can go to 1/500th on certain models (including the upcoming D200)?

It's the same reason that the 1D can do 1/500 and the Mark II can't. CMOS sensors cannot be switched on and off and thus require a mechanical shutter to control the exposure. Thus, the sync speed is limited by the fastest speed that the shutter curtains can travel.

On CCD cameras, like the 1D and most Nikons (D1*, D70, but NOT the D2H), the exposure is controlled via electronic CCD timing, although a mechanical shutter is still retained for protection and bulb mode. Thus, even at fast shutter speeds, the whole frame is exposed at once, allowing a much higher sync. (If you use the PC port I'm told you can sync a 1D right up to 1/8000, but of course the flash duration is usually longer than that.)

Alex53 wrote:
with an external flash you can shoot faster than the flash sync (albeit at the expense of some power),and this camera has no built in flash

External flash has absolutely nothing to do with max sync speed. You're thinking of high-speed sync, or as Canon calls it focal-plane flash mode, which pulses the flash many times a second for a longer duration in order to ensure that the whole frame is covered by the flash exposure as the shutter curtains move.

Edited by Shivatron on Aug 09, 2005 at 11:17 AM GMT

"A 1/200th flash sync? What?!? Why is it Nikon can go to 1/500th on certain models (including the upcoming D200)?"

This was explained well in another thread - basically, CCDs can comtrol exposure without the shutter. For example, the new top of the line D2x only has a 1/250 and has a CMOS chip.

I will note, I'm getting the feeling something ate quite right with the PDF file...

primero: for those who haven't noticed, the linked page also contains a english version of the text.

segundo: This picture looks awfully fake. After a glimpse I could literally see the pictures from which this was made of. This is a (IMO not very well done) merge of a 20D and a 1V pic.

tercero: The spec-sheet also looks quite fake to me, apart of the grey boxes...

cuarto: The guy who made those specs definitely got too much spare time!

quinto: Why do you complain about 3 fps It's a full frame! There must be something left for the 1Ds MK III.

sexto: The 1D MK II N is a hoax as is the whole rest....

septimo: If this was true, it would be my dream camera. And would finally get me on the digital side...

octavo: Amen







Edited by Philippe Arnez on Aug 09, 2005 at 06:20 PM GMT

Thanks for all that great info, but I'd still expect a 1/250th sync. I have cameras with both and I've been suprised at how often that extra 50th in the speed solidifies images from motion blur.

Antony wrote:
They also mention the 430EX flash - presumably an upgrade to the 420EX with the white balance control of the 580EX

seems strange to me that canon would name a new flash the 430ex......given the fact that there used to be a 430ez flash....i would think they wouldn't reuse the 430 given the amount of confusion that would cause....

Schlotkins wrote:
I will note, I'm getting the feeling something ate quite right with the PDF file...

Maybe it's the fact that if you look at the PDF info, it says:

Title: Slide 1
Author: Jim Bowes
Subject: version 0.2
Keywords: D92 DVD recorder

and

Application: Acrobat PDFMaker 7.0 para PowerPoint

My two cents: The specs might be right, but the PDF is fake. I think that the front view picture could be real, as well, but I think the picture of the back is faked. We'll have to wait and see...

Antony wrote: They also mention the 430EX flash - presumably an upgrade to the 420EX with the white balance control of the 580EX

bka20d wrote: seems strange to me that canon would name a new flash the 430ex......given the fact that there used to be a 430ez flash....i would think they wouldn't reuse the 430 given the amount of confusion that would cause....

That's ok. They made the 420EX even though there was a 420EZ.

One thing that gets me is that the PDF file mentions the 550EX, but I think that has already been discontinued.

I have to say, as someone commented in the ojodigital.com forum where this news originated, its a little sad to see from the amount of interest that the toys are more important than the game to so many people

an yahoo group for Canon 5D

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon5D/

You are welcomed to join and dicussion new camera

Haoda

http://www.jacobsdigital.co.uk/products.php?productId=11223


bracket for the 430ex??

Edited by wwjdbk on Aug 09, 2005 at 12:03 PM GMT

Strange that such a detailed leak would appear what must be only days before Canon's official announcement. And this after months of leaking absolutely nothing.

20Dshooter wrote: Strange that such a detailed leak would appear what must be only days before Canon's official announcement. And this after months of leaking absolutely nothing.

The closer to an announcement, the more people need to know. Publications have lead times, etc. That's why the word "Embargo" appears. The reviewers, like the guy at DPReview already have copies of the cameras, whatever they might be, 5D or something else entirely.

eh...

I'll wait for Canon USA to tell me what their new camer will be...

Shivatron wrote: "...Author: Jim Bowes..."

So I googled
"Jim Bowes" + adobe

Read www.typophile.com/forums/read.php%3Ffile%3D/30/33006.html+%22Jim+Bowes%22+adobe&hl=en&client=firefox-a">this.

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dan

Looks like a good camera. But for $4000, it will still no making full frame mainstream. I do see that many pros can now go digital.

Schlotkins wrote:
I will note, I'm getting the feeling something ate quite right with the PDF file...

Odd that the first page is in Spanish while the spec sheet is British English.

Bill