MMX was a technology similar to SSE, hyper threading etc if I remember correctly and not a chipset.

I remember owning a 233 mhz system with MME and a 8meg 33mhz VGA card that was the envy of the gaming world lol

I agree with you but since I am using my 17-40 and 24-70. those lens hood obstructs the build in flash.

On a 10D or 20D ? I always though the higher pop up flash height would allow it to clear the hood though Ive honestly never tried it come to think of it. I too have a 17-40 and 24-70 and use both those lens quite a bit, but when indoors, I never use hoods so I guess I wouldnt of noticed if they do.

Pixel Perfect wrote:
So an EOS 5D/2D (no 3D since it is a clean design and no confusion about digital EOS 3) with 12.5MP 1.3x crop, integrated grip, 2.5" LCD, Li Ion battery, 1kg max, ISO 50-3200, spot metering, 200 zone evaluative metering, 11 pt AF, with 9 x-type sensors, joystick control of AF points and menu items, etc, priced around $2500 will do me very nicely.

There is supposedly one standout feature above all on this ruoured camera. I think it will be a true colour sensor, others have said live preview (lame IMO) and others say a high speed crop mode ala the D2X.

Comments:

I am at a loss to understand why some are so infatuated with the Lithium-Ion technology when that means batteries that age rapidly whether or not they are used. True, Li-Ion has a slower discharge rate, but this is offset by the fast ageing. With Lithium-Ion one needs an uninterrupted battery supply; with Ni-MH spare batteries can be stored for a long time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion

"A unique drawback that we can see to the Li-ion battery is that its life cycle is dependent upon aging from time of manufacturing (shelf life) regardless if it was charged or not and not on the number of charge/discharge cycles. This drawback is not widely publicized."

Also, live preview is far from an advantage. It would mean a sensor and color filters constantly exposed to light, which would shorten the life span of these light-sensitive components. It is also a complete waste of energy, since the sensor acting as a video camera would incur more use of precious battery power. Nor anything ever replace a proper optical finder.

Moreover, the camera bodies should not be built in magnesium, but in UV-resistant, carbon- or boron-reinforced composite material which could also be very resistant to heat if the right material is used. A main reason for this material is the impracticality of metal in very cold environments - holding a metal camera body in minus twenty degree (Celcius) is not a habit-forming experience.

Further, a high-grade camera body should weigh no less than one kg, but not necessarily more. Ultra-light bodies are less stable when held with long shutter speeds or/and focal lengths, and a camera like the 1D II is far better to hand hold than lighter bodies.

A LCD does not have to be bigger - in fact it would be good if the camera is not that dependent on the constant use of the color LCD on the back and has more controls accessible at the top LCD or through external buttons. All one needs in the back LCD is a histogram and no more than an overview to see if a picture was actually taken. It is also very inconvenient to have to access menus to use mirror lockup, for example. This must be changed in coming models.

Bogatyr

racer67 wrote:

The price gap between the 20D and the 1D series is enormous and I really wish that Canon will fill that gap with something that would give semi-pros and advanced amateurs some more choice.

I think that really there are many digital shooters ready for a 1.6 crop 12-14 mp camera similar to the Nikon.

Then update the 1DMarkII to 1.6 crop (no I'm not crazy) 14mp sensor, 12 frames a second for the sports and PJ shooters.


I agree that the price gap between the 20D and the 1D-bodies is too large, but I also feel that the 1D II is overpriced. I have that camera and I am extremely happy that I bought it since it is a very durable camera which is going to last long and stand up to heavy use, but considering that the price is roughly twice that of the high-end 1-series film bodies and that it is not full frame, I still consider it overpriced.

And a 22.5 x 15.0 mm sensor (1.6 crop) cannot take much more resolution without adverse effects on dynamic range and signal-to-noise ratio. The Nikon DX consistently blows highlights where all the Canons hold them, and noise becomes objectionable above ISO 400. We should not want cramming a large number of megapixels onto a sensor smaller than 24 x 36 mm as Nikon has done. If Nikon wants to compete, they will have to come out with a Full Frame 24 x 36 mm DSLR rather soon. Also, they have nothing to compete with the 1D II, not even the 20D at present. It would be good for us all if Nikon could improve this situation.

Bogatyr

I agree with you Bogatyr that 1Dmk2 is still a bit overpriced... but so are currently all digital cameras. I guess 1d will sooner or later come down to price which 1v has/had. Afterall it's not that far from this anymore. But even if it's overpriced I don't regret I bought it. It works fine, it has all what I need, I'm happy with it and it was paid off already
As far as I heard (it might be reliable source but it also might not be ) it's suppose to be full frame with 12mp. It's not suppose to replace any of existing camera but it is suppose to fit between 1d and 20d. But let's wait for another week or two and it will be clear.
And no matter what I don't really care about this right now. 1d has all what I need so even if they replace 1d with new one, it's for first time in 1d history (yeah not long one anyway) that we don't need to upgrade

*whistle* whistle...... It's coming. All I can say; it might dissapoint some, and it might bring joy to some. It's a mixed reaction. Thread carefully. I shall not say more. I have a direct link to Canon.

Pixel Perfect wrote:
Terry Lee wrote:



So an EOS 5D/2D (no 3D since it is a clean design and no confusion about digital EOS 3) with 12.5MP 1.3x crop, integrated grip, 2.5" LCD, Li Ion battery, 1kg max, ISO 50-3200, spot metering, 200 zone evaluative metering, 11 pt AF, with 9 x-type sensors, joystick control of AF points and menu items, etc, priced around $2500 will do me very nicely.
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You'll Shoot your eye out, kid!!!!!

You havent been thinking about this for a while have you?

it might dissapoint some, and it might bring joy to some

Ummm probably true with whatever canon decide to bring out..

How about a little more info on it..

Just to see which we will be

marcus_yam wrote:
*whistle* whistle...... It's coming. All I can say; it might dissapoint some, and it might bring joy to some. It's a mixed reaction. Thread carefully. I shall not say more. I have a direct link to Canon.

Tease.

In another thread Lars Johnsson wrote:
re: Mkt Plan for new Canon camera? "Every thread is always the same. People want the 1 series camera and like to pay a couple of hundred dollars more than the 20D price. And then they call it the 3D. "

(http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/235839#1942927)

Roy NN7DX wrote:
In another thread Lars Johnsson wrote:
re: Mkt Plan for new Canon camera? "Every thread is always the same. People want the 1 series camera and like to pay a couple of hundred dollars more than the 20D price. And then they call it the 3D. "

(http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/235839#1942927)

That's probably got some truth to it. But if this proverbial new camera is what the rumors seem to say, it'll finally bring a full-frame digital camera into the price range where many film shooters who have avoided digital can finally get something that works for them.

Had I not broken the film door on the back of my Elan a couple of years ago, I'd probably be one of those. Instead, I've enjoyed the benefits of digital since that first 10D, and I haven't shot a full roll of film in over a year. The repaired Elan II stares at me in lonliness.

But they have such great prices on lenses!

http://www.expansys-usa.com/product.asp?code=CAN_EF7020028L%20IS%20USM

jackkrash wrote:
If it's not priced around $1500, it is not a replacement for the 20D. I hope that information does not turn out to be true, 20D prices may climb instead of drop if that is the case.

I think this is a basic fact in the canon of Canon: Keep a DSLR n the line-up pegged at $1500. They may introduce that "tweener," or they may keep an ntroductory model at $799 (I doubt that, though), but I'm pretty sure that just as they will keep a DSLR pegged at $999, they will also keep one pegged at $1500. We can expect the capabilities of the models at those price points to increase to some extent, though.

Back in April (4 month ago), I was travelling in China and met a guy who was working for Canon China. During the dinner, he told me that a new DSLR is being designed and produced. He did not know what the end name was going to be, but only knew the internal code name. According to him, the new DSLR will be Full Frame and will be priced between 20D and 1DMK2, the estimated releasing date would be end of 2005. That's all he could say.

At that time I did not believe him at all. A FF DSLR selling around $3000? No way...

But now, seeing so many rumors from other sources, I have to re-think what he said.

How about research. When m&m decided to come out with a new they asked all the kids what new color. I am sure that whatever may come will be well researched. An upgrade is all we can expect. nothing more.
But a transmitter inside the camera to trigger external flashes would be nice. Doesnt minolta do that?

bogatyr wrote:
Comments:

I am at a loss to understand why some are so infatuated with the Lithium-Ion technology when that means batteries that age rapidly whether or not they are used. True, Li-Ion has a slower discharge rate, but this is offset by the fast ageing. With Lithium-Ion one needs an uninterrupted battery supply; with Ni-MH spare batteries can be stored for a long time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion

"A unique drawback that we can see to the Li-ion battery is that its life cycle is dependent upon aging from time of manufacturing (shelf life) regardless if it was charged or not and not on the number of charge/discharge cycles. This drawback is not widely publicized."

Also, live preview is far from an advantage. It would mean a sensor and color filters constantly exposed to light, which would shorten the life span of these light-sensitive components. It is also a complete waste of energy, since the sensor acting as a video camera would incur more use of precious battery power. Nor anything ever replace a proper optical finder.

Moreover, the camera bodies should not be built in magnesium, but in UV-resistant, carbon- or boron-reinforced composite material which could also be very resistant to heat if the right material is used. A main reason for this material is the impracticality of metal in very cold environments - holding a metal camera body in minus twenty degree (Celcius) is not a habit-forming experience.

Further, a high-grade camera body should weigh no less than one kg, but not necessarily more. Ultra-light bodies are less stable when held with long shutter speeds or/and focal lengths, and a camera like the 1D II is far better to hand hold than lighter bodies.

A LCD does not have to be bigger - in fact it would be good if the camera is not that dependent on the constant use of the color LCD on the back and has more controls accessible at the top LCD or through external buttons. All one needs in the back LCD is a histogram and no more than an overview to see if a picture was actually taken. It is also very inconvenient to have to access menus to use mirror lockup, for example. This must be changed in coming models.

Bogatyr

Bogatyr, we live in a world of technological progress. Whether or not you like Li Ion will be the future for awhile at least. Nikon already uses it in the D2H,X and I don't see them compalining too much. I could care less really, but I'm a realist and I fully expect any new Canon's to also uses it. It's already in the consumer range, so what's the big deal.

As for the bigger LCD, not being needed, well I totally disagree. In fact you seem to be arguing for arguments sake. If you think a 1kg camera is an ultra lightweight device, you been smoking something strange. I get the impression you don't like or are scared by change. I wouldn't be buying a digital camera then, because you better get used to it

ooo exciting, even though i have absolutely no incentive to get anything above my 20d, its a great cam..

Roy NN7DX wrote:
In another thread Lars Johnsson wrote:
"Every thread is always the same. People want the 1 series camera and like to pay a couple of hundred dollars more than the 20D price. And then they call it the 3D. "

Yeah, a lot of people got a kick out of Lars' quote. It's not very accurate, though. Most of the threads I've read assume a tweener price ($2.5K to $3K) for the tweener camera. Many people have also expressed a desire for non-1 series features, such as a smaller, lighter-weight 10D-style body.

Pixel Perfect wrote:
bogatyr wrote:
Comments:

I am at a loss to understand why some are so infatuated with the Lithium-Ion technology when that means batteries that age rapidly whether or not they are used. True, Li-Ion has a slower discharge rate, but this is offset by the fast ageing. With Lithium-Ion one needs an uninterrupted battery supply; with Ni-MH spare batteries can be stored for a long time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion

"A unique drawback that we can see to the Li-ion battery is that its life cycle is dependent upon aging from time of manufacturing (shelf life) regardless if it was charged or not and not on the number of charge/discharge cycles. This drawback is not widely publicized."

Also, live preview is far from an advantage. It would mean a sensor and color filters constantly exposed to light, which would shorten the life span of these light-sensitive components. It is also a complete waste of energy, since the sensor acting as a video camera would incur more use of precious battery power. Nor anything ever replace a proper optical finder.


Bogatyr, we live in a world of technological progress. Whether or not you like Li Ion will be the future for awhile at least. Nikon already uses it in the D2H,X and I don't see them compalining too much. I could care less really, but I'm a realist and I fully expect any new Canon's to also uses it. It's already in the consumer range, so what's the big deal.

As for the bigger LCD, not being needed, well I totally disagree. In fact you seem to be arguing for arguments sake. If you think a 1kg camera is an ultra lightweight device, you been smoking something strange. I get the impression you don't like or are scared by change. I wouldn't be buying a digital camera then, because you better get used to it


Like you and, I take it, all photographers, I love technological advancements insofar as it increases our photographic possibilities.

That is why I ask for - precisely technological progress. In very many instances, inferior solutions are used because consumers could not care less about dependability, durability, longevity. Nor is the possibility to be excluded that some lithium technology may give us batteries that can be stored for a decade or more, and be capable of many more charge/discharge cycles than present solutions. It may or may not be lithium-based, but the point is that it should be done. Technological progress should not mean the introduction of tools with vastly inferior service life and recuced dependability. Thus, progress should involve a striving towards making new products - at least the high end versions - long-term dependable.

However, this will only happen if the market demands it. If "everyone" - that is a large majority - is satisfied with what functions in the moment with no thoughts to long-term dependability, many of us will be sorry later when our equipment fails and there are no spare parts, no new batteries, and the old have ended their way too short service life. The answer? Of course, that can only be more technological progress, with more development efforts devoted to the construction of things that last.

As for the weight of camera bodies, I fail to see how a call for hi-tech composite bodies can be labelled "resistance to change." Change is a prerequisite to the creation of better constructions. Moreover, the smallest and lightest possible camera body is no advantage in real shooting situations. Consumer class bodies are very light, but try to hand hold these at shutter speeds of 1/16 of a second. It is possible with bodies like the 1D II, which I have used with a 1.4 lens in almost complete darkness with ISO 3200. I assure you, the same stability would have been close to impossible to achieve with a lightweight consumer class body. So, the ideal weight of a camera body very probably lies somewhere between the consumer class and the 1D-series.

In my humble opinion, change should always be change for the /better/. Perhaps it would be wise to be quality and performance conscious, and demand that kind of change?

Bogatyr

I really hope these rumors about the Full-frame semi-pro camera is true. Then my 20D is up for sale at once. I am getting tired of the small/dark viewfinder.

Panza wrote:
I really hope these rumors about the Full-frame semi-pro camera is true. Then my 20D is up for sale at once. I am getting tired of the small/dark viewfinder.

Sell it now so you can get a good deal on it and pick up the 3D! If you wait until the 3D comes out, you'll lose some money!

timster wrote:
the pentium pro was a server chip. it was never really "replaced" but just eventually rendered obsolete as the Pentium II and Pentium III chips surpassed it in speed.

Sorry to be off topic, but this is what my day job is.

The PentiumPro design was 'shrunk' and tweaked to the Pentium II, Pentium III, PentiumM, and lives on today, 10 years after its initial release. The supposid replacement, the Pentium4, has been discontinued by Intel. It will be slowly phased out. MMX was an instruction extension first appearing on a shrink of the original Pentium. Additional extensions are SSE, SSE2 and now SSE3. These all add digital signal processing instructions so that the core processor can perform graphics and multimedia computations efficiently.

Ok, I'm allowed to divulge these information.

"Not just one new EOS D-SLR, there are two of them on the way," Canon REP


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